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Historians Today
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1877  Monday, 29 September 2003

[1]     From:   Daphne Pearson <
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        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 15:28:23 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1865 Historians Today

[2]     From:   Graham Hall <
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        Date:   Saturday, 27 Sep 2003 10:18:10 +0000
        Subj:   Historical Inaccuracies

[3]     From:   Alan Jones <
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        Date:   Sunday, 28 Sep 2003 19:56:46 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1865 Historians Today


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From:           Daphne Pearson <
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Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 15:28:23 +0100
Subject: 14.1865 Historians Today
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1865 Historians Today

I agree more or less with Kathy's definition, except that I would add
that there can, in some instances, be a hint of a pejorative meaning.
For example, if one had been invited to a tea-party at the Vicarage and
didn't really want to go, one could describe it as a 'bunfight' at the
Vicarage. I realise that this degree of subtlety could pass some
subscribers by, but it is there.

I also agree with Kathy in finding the reference to historians
incomprehensible. I assume it was pejorative.

Daphne

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From:           Graham Hall <
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Date:           Saturday, 27 Sep 2003 10:18:10 +0000
Subject:        Historical Inaccuracies

Kathy Dent (14.1865) writes: "[...}Knowing this, however, was no
assistance to me in understanding Graham Hall's comments on historians,
which I found completely incomprehensible.  So if anyone can explain
what he was getting at, I'd be interested."

I didn't make any comments about historians. I brought to the attention
of the List three articles from two widely accessible journals. One, by
Sherwood and one of an interview of Jardine. Both contain Shakespearean
matters.

Further, I pointed to a Leader - that is, an Editorial - in a recent
Literary Review that has detail relevant to these articles. These
articles being too long to quote and there being problems of copyright,
I left things for independent investigation by those who might have an
interest.

If you seek a comment from me however, I would be inclined to say that I
find Sherwood's comment - given her academic position - somewhat bold in
its assumptions and the generalisation in the Jardine interview inept.

I hope this helps but do contact me off list if you still find things
"completely incomprehensible".

Best,
Graham Hall

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From:           Alan Jones <
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Date:           Sunday, 28 Sep 2003 19:56:46 +0100
Subject: 14.1865 Historians Today
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1865 Historians Today

In British usage a 'bunfight' is simply an informal opportunity for
consuming tea and sandwiches or the like after a lecture or a meeting of
some kind. There may be a little genteel jostling to get near the table
where the refreshments are set out, and there may perhaps even be a
plate of buns there, but the term is not to be taken in any sort of
literal sense, however mild.

Alan Jones

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