2003

King John and The Troublesome Play

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1885  Monday, 29 September 2003

From:           Bill Lloyd <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Saturday, 27 Sep 2003 06:25:09 EDT
Subject: 14.1840 King John and The Troublesome Play
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1840 King John and The Troublesome Play

Hello:

I was waiting for others to reply, but so far no response, so here
goes...

The "early start" folks, led by E.A.J. Hongimann, believe that
Shakespeare wrote his King John in the late 1580s and that The
Troublesome Reign of King John is someone else's version of his play.
See SHAKSPER 14.0569 where Ros King gives references for some of the
recent arguments for this date.

However, many scholars, including A. R. Braunmuller in his New Cambridge
edition of King John [cited by Ros King], the Oxford editors, M. P.
Jackson, Dover Wilson, and others argue that Shakespeare's play dates
from c1595-6, and provide details of 'vocabulary links' etc to help make
the case. [Excuse my vagueness of reference-- my books and papers are
currently packed and in transit.]

As to the authorship of TRKJ, H. Dugdale Sykes claimed the play for
George Peele in his =Sidelights on Shakespeare= [1919?]. Brian Vickers
in a forthcoming essay [mentioned in SHAKSPER 14.0686] confirms and
expands Sykes' case convincingly. If I am not mistaken, I believe
Professor Vickers' essay will appear in the festschrift for MacDonald P.
Jackson, =Words That Count=, due this fall from Oxford University Press.

Bill Lloyd

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A Question on Shakespeare Volumes

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1884  Monday, 29 September 2003

From:           Vick Bennison <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Saturday, 27 Sep 2003 08:02:03 EDT
Subject: 14.1873 A Question on Shakespeare Volumes
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1873 A Question on Shakespeare Volumes

I suggest you go to http://www.used.addall.com/ and enter your
information (there were other publishers besides Colliers, btw).  Few of
the entries mentions dates, and those that do generally have question
marks, which means dates are not given decisively in the books. You can
pick up odd volumes of the set at reasonable prices from this site.

- Vick

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no spirit dares stir

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1882  Monday, 29 September 2003

[1]     From:   Larry Weiss <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 26 Sep 2003 12:33:17 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1867 no spirit dares stir

[2]     From:   Edward Brown <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Saturday, 27 Sep 2003 12:51:48 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1867 no spirit dares stir


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From:           Larry Weiss <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 12:33:17 -0400
Subject: 14.1867 no spirit dares stir
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1867 no spirit dares stir

>How can you deny the facts of Hamlet, the play?  It is Will S, who was
>writing to and for an English audience, who created this *hook* opening,
>not me.

"... so the patient says to the shrink: 'obsessed with sex!'; you're the
one with the dirty pictures."

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From:           Edward Brown <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Saturday, 27 Sep 2003 12:51:48 -0400
Subject: 14.1867 no spirit dares stir
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1867 no spirit dares stir

"Bill Arnold" "writes", "Excuse me? ... Who said anything about
Christmas? Not me."

Yet here are "his" "words" "written", or "typed" by the "author" "Bill
Arnold" in his "message" dated "22" "September", presumably "intended"
to be "conveyed", i.e., "transcribed", "transmitted", "translated" by
the "editor", "moderator" of the "SHAKSPER" ".net" "forum" to it's
"readers", "members", "users", "disputants", "witnesses", ":"

>OK: here's the opening scene, in a nutshell, no Claudius, no Gertrude,
>just some guards in the dark, on the castle wall, and a "spirit" which
>"dares stir" and Hamlet, for whom the play is named, is invoked, to an
>audience, chilled to the bone at this chilling opening, to set the world
>right, again, at the anniversary of the birth of the "Saviour" of them
>all, agreed?

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Shakespeare's ginger hair

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1883  Monday, 29 September 2003

From:           Martin Steward <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Saturday, 27 Sep 2003 00:13:21 +0100
Subject:        Shakespeare's ginger hair

"Is there a portrait specialist on the list who knows why Shakespeare is
so ginger in this portrait?"

A friend who specializes in Regency and Victorian culture assures me
that "in the mid Victorian period, red and particularly auburn hair is
often seen as a sign of arty types (as I recalls some of the best
sensation novel villains in Braddon's fiction of the 60s and 70s are
painters/writers with luxuriant red locks)."

She adds the caveat, "But this is very speculative as I'm by no means an
expert on Brown."

I guess that means the artist, not the hair colour.

m

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Renaissance Drama in America

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1881  Monday, 29 September 2003

From:           Douglas Brooks <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 26 Sep 2003 09:16:29 -0500
Subject:        Renaissance Drama in America

I have a graduate student who's putting together a diss prospectus on
the reception of plays by  Shakespeare and his contemporaries in 17th
and 18th Century America. If someone on this list could direct me to
some of the secondary literature on this topic I'd be most grateful.

Thanks,
Douglas

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