The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1579 Friday, 8 August 2003
Date: Thursday, 7 Aug 2003 10:16:11 -0500
Subject: 14.1544 Re: Bloom on Hamlet
Comment: RE: SHK 14.1544 Re: Bloom on Hamlet
Edmund Taft responding to me
(Don also writes:
>Granted, [the influence of Graham and Peale] was primarily in politics rather than
>literature, but I would say that they had great importance to Updike
>and Pyncheon as representatives of what they were writing against.)
"Doubly not so. First, Graham and Peale's major influence was/is on
religion, especially in America. Second, Updike is influenced by
theologians, especially Karl Barth. Whether Pyncheon is in any way
religious is a vexed question, with the majority opinion being "No."
Don's puzzlement seems forced and contrived."
I presume the contrived puzzlement refers to my response to the charge
that Tillyard did a bad job of plagiarizing Lovejoy, since I didn't
express any with regard to BG and NVP.
About these latter two, I took it for granted that their primary impact
was in religion (in which field they were famous professionals), but
that any influence they had (beyond that on their immediate followers)
was through politics rather than literature.
What this preacher, that priest or the other rabbi says -- whether from
the pulpit or in some learned writing --is of little concern to me
unless it affects the larger culture in a way that affects me. To my way
of looking at things, the influence of Graham and Peale was thus
primarily through the political process -- both the politicians they
knew, and the voting practices of their disciples -- rather than on
important writers who wrote differently than they might have because of
their avid re
I hope this is not too far from the subject at hand (WS). We all tend to
misunderstand his time because we (inevitably) know too little, and our
own because we know too much. But thinking about people like Graham and
Peale and their impact on America can, perhaps, help us understand the
England of his time a little better. Or at least understand our
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