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Re: King John, Titus, Peele
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1332  Tuesday, 1 July 2003

[1]     From:   Clark J. Holloway <
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        Date:   Monday, 30 Jun 2003 08:34:59 -0700
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1317 Re: King John, Titus, Peele

[2]     From:   William S. Niederkorn <
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        Date:   Monday, 30 Jun 2003 23:32:40 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1317 Re: King John, Titus, Peele


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From:           Clark J. Holloway <
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Date:           Monday, 30 Jun 2003 08:34:59 -0700
Subject: 14.1317 Re: King John, Titus, Peele
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1317 Re: King John, Titus, Peele

Bill Lloyd wrote:

>The confusion over Dave's [Kathman] position may derive from his making
>common
>cause with Jim Carroll and Bob [Grumman?] on HLAS against the anti-Strat
>contingent who have turned that list into a swamp of vicious inanity.
>Dave is also a personal friend of Vickers' old opponent Don Foster.
>Clark Holloway in a later HLAS post quotes Dave from the Shakespeare
>Authorship page: "I think Vickers is excessively hard on Don Foster
>personally... but I also think he does a very impressive job of arguing
>that John Ford, rather than Shakespeare, is the most likely author of
>the Elegy."  We can hardly fault Dave for being loyal to his friend; but
>his main loyalty is to the truth and to good scholarship wherever it may
>be found.

Mr. Lloyd is very nearly correct, my reference to Dave Kathman and Bob
Grumman had nothing to do with their opinion of Prof. Vickers' books.
Mr.  Kathman is on record as supporting Prof. Vickers' attribution of
the elegy, and Mr. Grumman, I believe, is somewhat of an agnostic on the
subject.

However, Mr. Lloyd is wrong in assuming that the reference was included
because of Mr. Kathman's and Mr. Grumman's opposition to the anti-Strat
contingent, as I too number myself among those who feel compelled from
time to time to oppose the anti-Strat lunacy on HLAS.

In fact, the advance apology I had expressed to Mr. Kathman and Mr.
Grumman was occasioned by the fact that my discussion with Mr. Carroll
had gotten a bit rough in a parallel thread, and they had felt it
necessary to mention it to me.

- Clark

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From:           William S. Niederkorn <
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Date:           Monday, 30 Jun 2003 23:32:40 -0400
Subject: 14.1317 Re: King John, Titus, Peele
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1317 Re: King John, Titus, Peele

A week ago on this thread, Ward Elliott courteously introduced himself
and invited Jim Carroll to do the same. After he received no response
except further contention from Mr. Carroll on the "Lover's Complaint"
thread, Professor Elliott replied last Wednesday, repeating his polite
request. In a post on Friday, Mr. Carroll declined, while on this
thread, Brian Vickers defended his books against attacks by Mr. Carroll
on HLAS, where he said Mr. Carroll was using the aliases KQKnave and
Agent Jim.

Yesterday on this thread, Bob Grumman defended Mr. Carroll, said that he
considered KQKnave a friend, and said that it "does appear" that Mr.
Carroll is KQKnave.

So it seems we have a pseudonym (KQKnave) of what could perhaps be a
pseudonym (Jim Carroll).  How many pseudonyms are being deployed on
HLAS?

It's time for HLAS participants to set the record straight. It would be
a service to the discourse for all concerned to say who is who.
Otherwise, one might suppose that Jim Carroll is Donald Foster, KQKnave
is David Kathman, and Bob Grumman is Terry Ross.

Allbest,
William S. Niederkorn

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