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Re: Deconstruction
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1425  Thursday, 10 July 2003

[1]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 09 Jul 2003 15:00:39 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction

[2]     From:   Gabriel Egan <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 9 Jul 2003 22:28:54 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction

[3]     From:   David Evett <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 9 Jul 2003 21:20:08 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction

[4]     From:   Sally Drumm <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 09 Jul 2003 22:20:17 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1405 Re: Deconstructio

[5]     From:   Terence Hawkes <
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        Date:   Thursday, 10 Jul 2003 09:02:01 -0400
        Subj:   SHK 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction


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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Wednesday, 09 Jul 2003 15:00:39 -0400
Subject: 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction

The decapitated torso of a guillotined criminal twitches violently in a
fashion suggesting that it is responding to pain stimuli.  The blood
pressure of a recently deceased organ donor rises during the harvesting
procedure --  a typical response to a pain stimulus -- but does not do
so if anesthetic is administered.

These dead people cannot communicate their sensations or even appreciate
them in an intellectual sense.  But can it be said that they are not
experiencing them?

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From:           Gabriel Egan <
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Date:           Wednesday, 9 Jul 2003 22:28:54 +0100
Subject: 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction

Larry Weiss wrote

>Jonathan Miller tells a story, from his medical days,
>of an old woman who was asked on her death bed
>if she was in pain.  She replied, "there is a pain in the room
>but I don't know if it belongs to me."

Miller, or the woman, or Weiss, is recalling the following exchange from
Dickens's _Hard Times_:

<< [Louisa Gradgrind] 'Are you in pain, dear mother?'

'I think there's a pain somewhere in the room,' said Mrs.  Gradgrind,
'but I couldn't positively say that I have got it.' >> (from "Chapter 9.
Hearing the Last of It")

As is well known, the daft old bat dies trying to scratch out the word
'epistemology', convinced that it's not really an 'ology' at all.

Gabriel Egan

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From:           David Evett <
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Date:           Wednesday, 9 Jul 2003 21:20:08 -0400
Subject: 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction

I guess espousing cultural materialism means T. Hawkes doesn't believe
in any other kind, but others among us think that until the neurologists
and other cognitive scientists have uncovered more information than they
have so far - which, as far I can understand the popularized accounts
I've encountered, indicates that the relationship between physical
stimulus and conscious awareness is very complicated - we should all be
wary of making dogmatic statements about the nature of experience.

David Evett

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From:           Sally Drumm <
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Date:           Wednesday, 09 Jul 2003 22:20:17 -0400
Subject: 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction

The turtle can feel the softest touch on its shell.

Sincerely,
Sally Drumm

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From:           Terence Hawkes <
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Date:           Thursday, 10 Jul 2003 09:02:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Deconstruction
Comment:        SHK 14.1405 Re: Deconstruction

Dear Bob Grumman,

You ask what my explanation of 'There is no "experience itself" ' has to
do with

' . . .the statement I found quite insane, which was that experience
doesn't exist without words, or something of that nature'.

But in your posting dated 1 Jul 2003 ( SHK 14.1335) you quote my  'There
is no 'experience itself' '' and then immediately begin "This seems
quite insane to me."

T. Hawkes

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