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Re: Non Sans Droict
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.1279  Wednesday, 25 June 2003

[1]     From:   C. David Frankel <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 11:43:06 -0400
        Subj:   RE: SHK 14.1271 Re: Non Sans Droict 2

[2]     From:   John Briggs <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 09:24:18 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 14.1271 Re: Non Sans Droict 2


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From:           C. David Frankel <
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Date:           Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 11:43:06 -0400
Subject: 14.1271 Re: Non Sans Droict 2
Comment:        RE: SHK 14.1271 Re: Non Sans Droict 2

According to the BritainUSA FAQ page (for what it's worth)
http://www.britainusa.com/faq/xq/asp/SID.354/qx/showfaq.htm:

Dieu et mon droit (French for 'God and my right') is the motto of the
Sovereign and dates from the time of King Henry V (reigned 1413-1422).
The motto appears below the shield on the Royal Coat of Arms.

Honi soit qui mal y pense (French for 'Shame on him who thinks this
evil') appears on a garter which surrounds the shield on the Royal Coat
of Arms. This garter symbolises the Order of the Garter, an ancient
order of knighthood of which the Queen is sovereign.

C. David Frankel

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From:           John Briggs <
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Date:           Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 09:24:18 +0100
Subject: 14.1271 Re: Non Sans Droict 2
Comment:        Re: SHK 14.1271 Re: Non Sans Droict 2

Carol Barton wrote:

>Dieu et mon droit is not Tudor, and it means "God and my right"---not my
>right arm. (It is the Stuart motto.)
>
>The Tudor motto is "honi soit qui mal y pense."

This is mostly wrong.  "Dieu et mon droit" is the Sovereign's motto on
the Royal Arms, and dates at least from the time of Henry V.  For some
reason, Elizabeth I preferred to use "Semper eadem" (as did Anne).
"Honi soit qui mal y pense" is the motto of the Order of the Garter
(Edward III).

The Embassy in Washington has a website patiently explaining such
things:

http://www.britainusa.com/faq/xq/asp/SID.354/qx/showfaq.htm

John Briggs

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