Make a Donation

Consider making a donation to support SHAKSPER.

Subscribe to Our Feeds

Current Postings RSS

Announcements RSS

Home :: Archive :: 2004 :: February ::
Henry V Question
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.0286  Monday, 2 February 2004

[1]     From:   Jonathan Hope <
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 >
        Date:   Friday, 30 Jan 2004 14:35:53 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0258 Henry V Question

[2]     From:   Thomas Jensen <
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 >
        Date:   Friday, 30 Jan 2004 08:06:27 -0700
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.0258 Henry V Question

[3]     From:   Larry Weiss <
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 >
        Date:   Friday, 30 Jan 2004 13:45:03 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0258 Henry V Question

[4]     From:   Larry Weiss <
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 >
        Date:   Friday, 30 Jan 2004 14:10:14 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0258 Henry V Question

[5]     From:   Lea Luecking Frost <
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 >
        Date:   Friday, 30 Jan 2004 16:51:44 -0600
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0258 Henry V Question


[1]-----------------------------------------------------------------
From:           Jonathan Hope <
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 >
Date:           Friday, 30 Jan 2004 14:35:53 +0000
Subject: 15.0258 Henry V Question
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0258 Henry V Question

I'm about to write on accent in Shakespeare, so I'm enjoying this thread
very much, and appreciating the efforts of those who are unwittingly
acting as research assistants for me - many thanks.

Just to complicate things, I've been wondering about parts that don't
have any orthographic indication of accent in the printed text.  This
doesn't mean that the actor playing the role didn't put one on:
representing accents orthographically is notoriously difficult, and
given that Shakespeare was presumably working with his actors daily, it
might have been easier for him just to say, 'Do this in Yorkshire for
me, luvvie'.

Jonathan Hope
Strathclyde Unversity, Glasgow   http://www.sinrs.stir.ac.uk/

[2]-------------------------------------------------------------
From:           Thomas Jensen <
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 >
Date:           Friday, 30 Jan 2004 08:06:27 -0700
Subject: 15.0258 Henry V Question
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.0258 Henry V Question

I have a couple of small points to add.

According to Christopher Allmand's biography of Henry V, Henry had books
in English, French and Latin and his brother commissioned a translation
of Boccaccio into English.  Also, "his signet letters, which formed his
most private correspondence, dictated to a clerk before, perhaps, having
their style (rather than contents) improved by a secretary, were also in
French.  In August 1417, when Henry and his army had landed in France on
the king's second expedition, a dramatic change came about.  From 12
August at the latest Henry had all his signet letters to English
subjects written in English..."

I suspect, as Mr. Sullivan suggests, that he and the court were
bilingual.  Perhaps, he was even as versatile as the master linguist
Elizabeth I, and capable of using that talent for pragmatic political ends.

On the differences of the plays, their dates of composition and sources
may have been factors as well as Shakespeare having resided in a
bilingual household before the composition of Henry V.  The Henry VI
plays are much earlier, of course.

Nevertheless, it is apparent from Shakespeare's exact transcription that
the Saint Crispin's day speech could only have been delivered in English.

Thomas Jensen

[3]-------------------------------------------------------------
From:           Larry Weiss <
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 >
Date:           Friday, 30 Jan 2004 13:45:03 -0500
Subject: 15.0258 Henry V Question
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0258 Henry V Question

 >Fluellen and Macmorris have dominant Welsh and Irish
 >accents, respectively, that weaken Henry's claim to a unified national
 >force.

Au contraire.  It seems to me that WS showed us Welsh, Scottish, Irish
and English captains working together to illustrate a unified British
national campaign.  The first Rainbow Division.

[4]-------------------------------------------------------------
From:           Larry Weiss <
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 >
Date:           Friday, 30 Jan 2004 14:10:14 -0500
Subject: 15.0258 Henry V Question
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0258 Henry V Question

I wonder if Shylock isn't meant to speak in dialect:  "Pill'd me certain
wands" for example.  His speech mannerisms, inverted word orders, etc.,
are suggestive.  But where would WS have heard a Yiddish accent?

[5]-------------------------------------------------------------
From:           Lea Luecking Frost <
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 >
Date:           Friday, 30 Jan 2004 16:51:44 -0600
Subject: 15.0258 Henry V Question
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0258 Henry V Question

David Evett asked:

 >On accents--has anybody heard a first tetralogy or R3 in
 >which Margaret was marked as an outsider by a French
 >accent?

I haven't seen this done (though I have seen Richard II's queen played
with a French accent), but -- and this is vaguely germane since the
thread started with a question about Joan Pucelle -- in the 2000-01 RSC
production of the first tetralogy, Fiona Bell doubled as Joan and
Margaret. As Margaret, she put on an English accent, but used her own
Scottish accent as Joan. It rather effectively marked her as an outsider
even among the French.

Regards,
Lea

_______________________________________________________________
S H A K S P E R: The Global Shakespeare Discussion List
Hardy M. Cook, 
 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
 
The S H A K S P E R Web Site <http://www.shaksper.net>

DISCLAIMER: Although SHAKSPER is a moderated discussion list, the
opinions expressed on it are the sole property of the poster, and the
editor assumes no responsibility for them.
 

©2011 Hardy Cook. All rights reserved.