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Bilingual Rulers of England
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.0383  Tuesday, 10 February 2004

[1]     From:   Peter Bridgman <
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        Date:   Monday, 9 Feb 2004 15:42:15 -0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0354 Bilingual Rulers of England

[2]     From:   Michael Egan <
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        Date:   Monday, 9 Feb 2004 06:16:48 -1000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0354 Bilingual Rulers of England

[3]     From:   David Evett <
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        Date:   Monday, 9 Feb 2004 12:47:23 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0354 Bilingual Rulers of England


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From:           Peter Bridgman <
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Date:           Monday, 9 Feb 2004 15:42:15 -0000
Subject: 15.0354 Bilingual Rulers of England
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0354 Bilingual Rulers of England

 >As to good drama, doesn't anyone think the
 >200 lines of wooing is way too long and tortuous for a done deal? Isn't
 >this Tom Sawyer/Becky Thatcher stuff a little embarrassing when we know
 >that this was an arranged political marriage?

I've always felt that Henry's behaviour was somewhat cruel.  He pretends
that Catherine is free to reject him, even though the marriage is
already arranged as part of the peace treaty.  I like it when she
reminds him of the truth......

KING HARRY:  ........wilt thou have me?
CATHERINE     Dat is as it shall please de roi mon pere.

Peter Bridgman

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From:           Michael Egan <
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Date:           Monday, 9 Feb 2004 06:16:48 -1000
Subject: 15.0354 Bilingual Rulers of England
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0354 Bilingual Rulers of England

Henry V and Edward III contain a number of parallel references and
scenic pairs, among them Henry's wooing of Princess Katherine and
Edward's crude attempt to seduce the Countess of Salisbury. Often
criticized as awkward and ungainly-a characterization the man himself
would accept-Henry is graceful and polite and above all successful when
compared with his grandfather. He thus morally and historically eclipses
even the greatest of his forbears.

--Michael Egan

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From:           David Evett <
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Date:           Monday, 9 Feb 2004 12:47:23 -0500
Subject: 15.0354 Bilingual Rulers of England
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0354 Bilingual Rulers of England

 >As to good drama, doesn't anyone think the
 >200 lines of wooing is way too long and tortuous for a done deal? Isn't
 >this Tom Sawyer/Becky Thatcher stuff a little embarrassing when we know
 >that this was an arranged political marriage? . . . Strange for a play
 >ostensibly struggling to show "the warlike Harry, like himself."

Clifford Stetner might also have quoted Queen Isabel's lines, a couple
of pages prior to the wooing scene, hoping that "this day [of the
face-to-face meeting of the French and English monarchs and their
negotiators] / Shall change all griefs and quarrels into love"
(5.2.19-20).  Revisionists for whom the play is always and only about
power politics dismiss the notion that the scene might be trying to take
that last word literally, if only to please an audience for whom, on the
evidence of changes in English comedy from *Gammer Gurton* to *As You
Like It*, the coalescence of romantic and marital love was increasingly
pleasurable.  But the idea works for me and many others.

David Evett

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