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Banned Shakespeare
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.0426  Friday, 13 February 2004

[1]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Thursday, 12 Feb 2004 15:24:37 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare

[2]     From:   D Bloom <
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        Date:   Thursday, 12 Feb 2004 14:39:30 -0600
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare

[3]     From:   David Evett <
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        Date:   Thursday, 12 Feb 2004 19:47:03 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare

[4]     From:   Alan Pierpoint <
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        Date:   Friday, 13 Feb 2004 05:38:27 EST
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare


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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Thursday, 12 Feb 2004 15:24:37 -0500
Subject: 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare

 >can we not assume that at
 >least Juliet (maybe Romeo too) was prepubescent at age 13, even going on
 >14?

Why should we assume that given her mother's observation (I.iii) that

    "Here in Verona, ladies of esteem,
    Are made already mothers:  by my count
    I was your mother much upon these years
    That you are now a maid."

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From:           D Bloom <
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Date:           Thursday, 12 Feb 2004 14:39:30 -0600
Subject: 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare

David Cohen writes,

 >. . . can we not assume that at
 >least Juliet (maybe Romeo too) was prepubescent at age 13, even going on
 >14?  If so, then hers is puppy love, intense as it may be.

Well, no. Not as I understand his meaning or prepubescent, puppy love,
and the meaning of Juliet's speech at the beginning of III, 2. She is
not looking forward to a little handholding, but to getting well and
truly . . . well, enough said.

Cheers,
don

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From:           David Evett <
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Date:           Thursday, 12 Feb 2004 19:47:03 -0500
Subject: 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare

 >Juliet seems to have at least the right of refusal.
 >-Alan Pierpoint

Not so; when Juliet tries to refuse, her father condemns her to beg or
sell herself in the streets: "But, and you will not wed, I'll pardon
[ironic] you! / Graze where you will [you cow], you shall not house with
me" (Arden 3.5.188-89).

David Evett

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From:           Alan Pierpoint <
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Date:           Friday, 13 Feb 2004 05:38:27 EST
Subject: 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0415 Banned Shakespeare

David:  Perhaps the Capulet women were precocious (I was your mother
much upon these years / That you are now a maid), or perhaps your
extrapolations about the onset of puberty overshoot the mark when
applied to Verona (Younger than she are happy mothers made.)  Juliet's
love is obviously a first love.  But does the quality of it really seem
"puppy"?

Respectfully,
Alan Pierpoint

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