2004

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.0610  Friday, 5 March 2004

[1]     From:   Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 4 Mar 2004 07:51:21 -0800
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.0599 Shakespeare, the Famous English Chunk Writer

[2]     From:   Bob Grumman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 4 Mar 2004 16:11:53 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0599 Shakespeare, the Famous English Chunk Writer


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From:           Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 4 Mar 2004 07:51:21 -0800
Subject: 15.0599 Shakespeare, the Famous English Chunk Writer
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.0599 Shakespeare, the Famous English Chunk Writer

Martin Steward protests that

 >I simply wished to defend the logic of offering Shakespeare to them in
 >time- and resource-efficient chunks, backed up with relevant context and
 >staged/filmed performance.

Unfortunately, his reasoning --- that students have a large number of
interests and there's nothing to particularly recommend Shakespeare as
providing "knowledge, understanding, humanity, happiness,
sophistication, or whatever" --- doesn't provide grounds for teaching
selections, but reasons not to teach Shakespeare at all.

I can understand a desire to teach less Shakespeare with more depth, but
only because I think Shakespeare worth teaching.  Otherwise, the whole
issue becomes rather moot.

Yrs,
SKL.

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From:           Bob Grumman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 4 Mar 2004 16:11:53 -0500
Subject: 15.0599 Shakespeare, the Famous English Chunk Writer
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0599 Shakespeare, the Famous English Chunk Writer

 >John Knapp says that he is "shocked" that I and other would express
 >
 >>opinions on the inabilities of 16 or
 >>17 yr olds to read Shakespeare other than in easily-digestible chunks!
 >>These are the very same 17 yr olds who can out-program any of us, some
 >>of whom make games of trying to outwit Microsoft.  Yet, if I read your
 >>opinions correctly, the poor dears can't be expected to read for basic
 >>understanding some of the world's best theater.

Note to John Knapp (whose post I apparently missed).  It's only a select
few 17-year-olds who can out-program us.  And, guess what?  It's not
because they had all kinds of thorough programing courses forced on
them, but because they went out and learned how to program on their own,
just as their literary-minded fellow students would read Shakespeare on
their own.  As I did AFTER I graduated from high school, where I had
four full Shakespeare plays forced on me that I got zilch out of.  I
would imagine, by the way, that many fewer 17-year-olds are able to read
Shakespeare with profit than are able to program effectively, because it
takes a kind of maturity that programming doesn't.

--Bob G.

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