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New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.0856  Monday, 12 April 2004

[1]     From:   Rick  Plummer <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 7 Apr 2004 10:40:32 -0400
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

[2]     From:   Alan J. Sanders <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 7 Apr 2004 11:12:56 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

[3]     From:   David Evett <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 7 Apr 2004 12:52:37 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

[4]     From:   Eric M. Johnson <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 7 Apr 2004 23:17:55 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

[5]     From:   Stephen C. Rose <
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        Date:   Friday, 9 Apr 2004 10:53:02 -0700 (PDT)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

[6]     From:   Evelyn Gajowski <
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        Date:   Monday, 12 Apr 2004 00:58:53 -0700 (PDT)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon


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From:           Rick  Plummer <
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Date:           Wednesday, 7 Apr 2004 10:40:32 -0400
Subject: 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

I'm likewise puzzled by this claim of irrelevance.  I try to impress on
both my theater and my Shakespeare students that the fabric of dramatic
literature is, and always has been, woven on the loom of social
change...that, as either the Pope did or did not say re the Gibson film,
"it is as it was."  Nearly all genres from nearly all periods from
nearly all countries across the wide range of theater history have
attempted and do attempt to influence attitudes and behavior; theater
has been and continues to be used as a social corrective.  Theater is a
powerful instrument of acculturation.

Rick Plummer
Theater & Cultural Arts
West Shore Community College

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From:           Alan J. Sanders <
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Date:           Wednesday, 7 Apr 2004 11:12:56 -0400
Subject: 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

Bruce Richman states:

 >I'm puzzled by the claim that references to contemporary politics and
 >political figures are irrelevant to the work of this study group.

My comment said nothing to the fact of eliminating references to
politics; my comment referred to the use of this forum as a means of
bashing the current President.  Making intellectual comparisons or
putting forth well reasoned opinions is certainly a good exercise and
should be well received by this group-whether or not you agree with the
assertions.

A year ago, there were some good posts about "Henry V" and many here
wanted to see the play as ONLY an anti-war piece.  Then there were a few
responses (mine included) that saw the play as much more than just
seeing it as a one-sided production.  Arguing those merits I think are
substantial to not only identifying with the subject matter, but also
seeing the gift of Shakespeare's ability to be universally applicable to
many scenarios-past, present, and future.

The comment I made about being "equally represented" referred to a note
I had submitted to this list a couple months back, defending the
President from (what I perceived to be) a personal attack and positioned
the idea that we should at least be intellectually honest about our
critiques and try to base our opinions on fact, not emotion.  Instead of
it being published, that thread was ended by our esteemed administrator.
  I then wrote Hardy a personal note thanking him for killing the thread
because I was under the impression that the political attacks and
defense were out of scope from the mission of this forum.

My thought here is one of making sure the political analysis is filtered
through the context of Shakespeare and NOT using Shakespeare to thinly
disguise a personal or biased political agenda.  That line between the
two might be gray, but I still think it's an important distinction.  (A
hyperbolic example would be: Macbeth's wife was a real witch and
dominated her husband, just like Hillary Clinton slapped her husband
around.  Is this really a valid comment in terms of the mission of the
SHAKESPER list?  Or is it just a political attack under the guise of
being a Shakespeare reference?)

Finally, I started my initial note with "Off topic from the list" to
indicate that my response was in no way meant to imply that it was
relevant to Shakespeare; rather it was meant to address the mission of
the site.  I don't think this topic should continue much further-save
for some wrap-up comments.

I hope this better expresses my intent and in no way means I am
disenfranchised with this forum.  It is one of the highlights of my day
to take a moment to delve into the world of the Bard and I don't want to
see that end.

With utmost regards to everyone on this list,
Alan

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From:           David Evett <
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Date:           Wednesday, 7 Apr 2004 12:52:37 -0400
Subject: 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

This thread (which might now be retitled something like Partisan
Politics), emerges at an apt time, when the relationship between
personal politics and scholarship is being actively debated in some
American state legislatures, with the possibility that the debate will
move soon to the U.S. Congress.  The object of this conversation is the
Academic Bill of Rights, initially promulgated by a pressure group,
Students for Academic Freedom, founded by the well-known libertarian
David Horowitz, and subsequently incorporated into proposed legislation
in Georgia, Colorado, and other states (a version passed the Georgia
Senate by a vote of 41-5).  Supporters point to statistics (of unclear
source) purporting to show a radical imbalance between registered
Republicans and Democrats on American university faculties, and recite
anecdotes from students whose instructors have threatened to punish
unacceptable (i.e. conservative) views in papers and exams with bad
grades.  I append the URLs (note: these are not actual links--I've had
to turn that feature off while working on a big bibliography) of
websites where you can find the text of the Bill and some comments on it.

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/abor.html

It should be clear, however, that the issue is not just one of
professors' views on the invasion of Iraq or the minimum wage; as the
following web page makes clear, the bill is designed to encourage the
teaching of Creationist science and other doctrine-based ideas:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/dl20030920.shtml

In the interest of diversity, here is a rejoinder from the AAUP:

http://www.aaup.org/statements/SpchState/billofrights.htm

I have not come across any references to the topic of the authorship of
the Shakespeare plays, but would not be surprised that there are places
where that might be an issue.

Politically,
David Evett

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From:           Eric M. Johnson <
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Date:           Wednesday, 7 Apr 2004 23:17:55 -0400
Subject: 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

Both Bruces make the same good point: that contemporary politics
shouldn't be off-limits for discussion. The problem is that at a certain
point, Shakespeare ceases to be the topic of discussion, and everyone
starts arguing about politics. For example, there have been side
comments about the Iraq War that I've been tempted to comment on because
I fought in it, and so I have personal experience in the subject-but
does everyone really want to hear about that on SHAKSPER? I suspect
there are plenty of other forums for that kind of quarrel.

Eric

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Date:           Friday, 9 Apr 2004 10:53:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

While I have seen forums battered by over-posting of political and
religious opinions, I do agree that in the refined realm of
non-idolatrous Bard-limning, we can and should be permitted an
occasional arch-reference to the foibles of the flora and fauna out
there, particular when the ur-still idiotic-theme of honor is also still
out there. Best, S

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From:           Evelyn Gajowski <
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Date:           Monday, 12 Apr 2004 00:58:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.0846 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon

I agree with the sentiments of Bruce Richman, whom I do not know.  After
all, isn't the relationship of contemporary US politics to Shakespeare's
texts at least as significant as that of pornography?

Evelyn Gajowski
University of Nevada, Las Vegas

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