New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.0981 Thursday, 29 April 2004
From: Sean Lawrence <
Date: Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 11:13:45 -0700
Subject: 15.0958 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon
Comment: RE: SHK 15.0958 New Henry V Film Coming Out Soon
Dan Smith writes,
>These are ludicrous arguments[:] an army besieging French towns and poised
>to fight a pitched battle has hardly been employed for peaceful
>seafaring and delivering the payroll.
Maybe not, but Henry didn't say they were, only that giving people
dangerous jobs is different from murder, and that in any case, "Euery
mans seruice is the kings: / But euery mans soule is his owne."
>At the core of both these
>analogies is the unspoken assumption that they are behaving lawfully in
>France but that is the real issue.
Not really. The argument made earlier is that "wee know enough, if wee
know wee are the Kings Subiects: if his Cause be wrong, our obedience to
the King wipes the Cryme of it out of vs." If Bates is correct in his
claim, then even if the war isn't justified, the soldiers are not
responsible for its illegality.
>two potential insults in this. The first is that the King should be
>bound by the law. God is not bound by earthly laws and if the king is
>God's representative on Earth he could not be held to account either.
I'm pretty sure that that would be denounced rather quickly as a heresy,
though I'll leave others to make the argument.
>This is a standard piece of political casuistry - you misrepresent your
>opponent's argument and then proceed to demolish the misrepresentation
>as though it truly represented the issues.
Perhaps you're referring to your own post?
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