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More W s Hal, Kerry is Hamlet Crap
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1026  Friday, 7 May 2004

[1]     From:   Jack Heller <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:38:48 -0500 (EST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1021 More W s Hal, Kerry is Hamlet Crap

[2]     From:   Chris Moore <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 May 2004 10:51:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
        Subj:   Kerry as Dogberry?

[3]     From:   Abigail Quart <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 May 2004 12:50:39 -0400
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.1021 More W s Hal, Kerry is Hamlet Crap

[4]     From:   Al Magary <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:41:04 -0700
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1021 More W s Hal, Kerry is Hamlet Crap


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From:           Jack Heller <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:38:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 15.1021 More W s Hal, Kerry is Hamlet Crap
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1021 More W s Hal, Kerry is Hamlet Crap

If King John were a better known play, there would be a very different
analogy made to GWBush.

Jack Heller

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From:           Chris Moore <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 May 2004 10:51:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject:        Kerry as Dogberry?

I wish Kerry had the poetry and passion of Hamlet, but sadly he seems
more like Dogberry. Did anyone see him speaking Spanish last night? His
jokes are obscure and rarely funny, his meaning often muddied, he often
seems out of touch and out of sync...

"I voted for the 87 million dollars just before I voted against it."
That is pure Dogberry.

Personal politics aside, the Shakespeare analogy that fits Kerry at the
moment is Dogberry. Though Hal and Bush also seem a fit (again an
unfortunate truth).

Chris Moore

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From:           Abigail Quart <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 May 2004 12:50:39 -0400
Subject: 15.1021 More W s Hal, Kerry is Hamlet Crap
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1021 More W s Hal, Kerry is Hamlet Crap

Plagiarism? Eh. Propaganda? Oh, yeah.

Fields is a right wing Washington Times (yes, the newspaper owned by
Reverend Moon) columnist and she's using the "flip-flop" Republican
talking point in her attempt to create an indelible set of images:
George, wise and seasoned leader who will bring victory versus John, who
just can't make up his mind and will probably get us all killed. And she
does it with the little compliment to her audience of assuming they're
conversant with Shakespeare's characters.

Of course, the case could be made that George is the Hamlet figure,
committing bloody deeds to avenge his father's attempted murder, which
might make John Kerry the Fortinbras figure, a military figure come to
mop up the remains and right the damaged nation.

It's a fun game. Anyone can play.

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From:           Al Magary <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:41:04 -0700
Subject: 15.1021 More W s Hal, Kerry is Hamlet Crap
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1021 More W s Hal, Kerry is Hamlet Crap

Richard Burt said, "It just doesn't stop."  Looks like everybody is
looking at Henry V, including GIs who were reported getting the play as
a freebie about a year ago.  Today ironic prose from H5 turns up in a
political blog

(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_05_02.php#002914 ):

KING HENRY. I dare say you love him not so ill to wish him here
alone, howsoever you speak this, to feel other men's minds;
methinks I could not die anywhere so contented as in the King's
company, his cause being just and his quarrel honourable.

MICHAEL WILLIAMS. That's more than we know.

JOHN BATES. Ay, or more than we should seek after; for we know
enough if we know we are the King's subjects. If his cause be
wrong, our obedience to the King wipes the crime of it out of
us.

MICHAEL WILLIAMS. But if the cause be not good, the King himself
hath a heavy reckoning to make when all those legs and arms and
heads, chopp'd off in a battle, shall join together at the
latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place'-- some
swearing, some crying for a surgeon, some upon their wives left
poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their
children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die well that die
in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything
when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well,
it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who
to disobey were against all proportion of subjection.  (Henry V
4.1)

Conveyed by
Al Magary

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