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Touchstone and the Gods
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1062  Friday, 14 May 2004

[1]     From:   Ben Spiller <
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        Date:   Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:19:43 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

[2]     From:   David Lindley <
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        Date:   Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:23:37 +0100
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[3]     From:   Marie Elizabeth Fontenla <
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        Date:   Thursday, 13 May 2004 10:32:50 -0400
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[4]     From:   Peter Hyland <
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        Date:   Thursday, 13 May 2004 10:36:35 -0400
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[5]     From:   Bruce W. Richman <
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        Date:   Thursday, 13 May 2004 09:57:32 -0500
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[6]     From:   Michael Friedman <
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        Date:   Thursday, 13 May 2004 11:32:22 -0400
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        Date:   Thu, 13 May 2004 15:17:05 -0500
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[8]     From:   Geralyn Horton <
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        Date:   Thursday, 13 May 2004 11:36:24 -0400
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[9]     From:   Peter Bridgman <
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        Date:   Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:04:49 +0100
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[10]     From:  Martin Steward <
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        Date:   Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:54:35 +0100
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[11]     From:  Marcia Eppich-Harris <
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        Date:   Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:09:21 -0500
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From:           Ben Spiller <
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Date:           Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:19:43 +0100
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

Jack Heller writes:

"Unless Hecate counts in Macbeth, I can't think offhand of any other
gods showing up in Shakespeare's plays."

These few spring to mind:  the descent of Jupiter in Cymbeline; the
dream/vision of Diana in Pericles; a spirit/masquer in the form of Juno
in The Tempest.

All the best,
Ben.

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Date:           Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:23:37 +0100
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

 >I don't think we can use the "avoiding censorship for
 >blasphemy" answer to explain the gods in AYLI. After all,
 >Hymen shows up in act five. Unless Hecate counts in Macbeth,
 >I can't think offhand of any other gods showing up in
 >Shakespeare's plays.

Jupiter in Cymbeline,
Juno, Iris and Ceres in Tempest.

(As I'm sure many will point out).  Though all these are 'stagy' gods,
operating within a vocabulary akin to that of court entertainment.
There is, of course, also the understage music of oboes in Antony and
Cleopatra, a sign that Hercules is abandoning his follower.  And what
about the hymn to Diana in Much Ado?

David Lindley

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Date:           Thursday, 13 May 2004 10:32:50 -0400
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

Off the top of my head I can recall three more:

Diana appears in scene 22 of Pericles.
Jupiter appears in 5.5 of Cymbeline.
Iris, Juno, and Ceres appear (well the spirits actually) in a masque in
Tempest.

Liz Fontenla

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Date:           Thursday, 13 May 2004 10:36:35 -0400
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

What about Jupiter in Cymbeline?

Peter Hyland

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Date:           Thursday, 13 May 2004 09:57:32 -0500
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

Jupiter appears and speaks in Act V, Sc. iv of Cymbeline. Juno, Iris,
and Ceres appear in Prospero's masque. For all their manipulations in
the Iliad (which we presume our playwright hadn't read), the gods do not
make an appearance in Troilus and Cressida. Diana appears in Pericles
V.i. Cupid visits Timon and dances in his masque. Notwithstanding, I'd
agree with Professor Heller's general observation that gods appear
rarely in Shakespeare, whose abiding message seems to be that peoples'
lives are their own, to do with well or poorly.

Bruce W. Richman

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Date:           Thursday, 13 May 2004 11:32:22 -0400
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

Jupiter shows up in *Cymbeline.*

Michael D. Friedman
University of Scranton

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From:           David Crosby <
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Date:           Thu, 13 May 2004 15:17:05 -0500
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

Jack Heller writes:

 >I don't think we can use the "avoiding censorship for blasphemy" answer
 >to explain the gods in AYLI. After all, Hymen shows up in act five.
 >Unless Hecate counts in Macbeth, I can't think offhand of any other gods
 >showing up in Shakespeare's plays.

Do goddesses count? We have Juno and Ceres in the masque of Tempest, and
Diana makes an appearance in Pericles.

Cheers,
Dave

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Date:           Thursday, 13 May 2004 11:36:24 -0400
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

The Tempest has Iris, Ceres, and Juno ( I once played Ceres), Jupiter
shows up in Cymbeline and Diana in Pericles.

I think there may be a few other brief appearances, but even if they
don't show up themselves, the Gods send messages from time to time.....

Geralyn Horton, playwright
Newton, MA

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Date:           Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:04:49 +0100
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

Jack Heller writes...

 >I don't think we can use the "avoiding censorship for blasphemy" answer
 >to explain the gods in AYLI. After all, Hymen shows up in act five.
 >Unless Hecate counts in Macbeth, I can't think offhand of any other gods
 >showing up in Shakespeare's plays.

Diana in Pericles?  The spirits appearing as Ceres and Juno in the
Tempest? Hymen (again) in The Two Noble Kinsmen?

Peter Bridgman

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Date:           Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:54:35 +0100
Subject: Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

"I don't think we can use the 'avoiding censorship for blasphemy' answer
to explain the gods in AYLI. After all, Hymen shows up in act five.

Unless Hecate counts in Macbeth, I can't think offhand of any other gods
showing up in Shakespeare's plays."

What about in Cymbeline? A very, very important example.

m


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Date:           Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:09:21 -0500
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

Jack Heller writes:

 >I can't think offhand of any other gods
 >showing up in Shakespeare's plays.

What about Jupiter showing up in Cymbeline?

Deus ex machina, basically.
Cheers,
Marcia

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