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Touchstone and the Gods
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1069  Monday, 17 May 2004

[1]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Friday, 14 May 2004 11:03:27 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

[2]     From:   Jack Heller <
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        Date:   Friday, 14 May 2004 10:39:02 -0500 (EST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1062 Touchstone and the Gods

[3]     From:   Ray Lischner <
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        Date:   Friday, 14 May 2004 12:43:30 -0400
        Subj:   Re: Touchstone and the Gods

[4]     From:   D Bloom <
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        Date:   Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:03:53 -0500
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.1062 Touchstone and the Gods


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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Friday, 14 May 2004 11:03:27 -0400
Subject: 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1054 Touchstone and the Gods

 >I can't think offhand of any other gods
 >showing up in Shakespeare's plays.

Diana in Per, Jupiter in Cym, even Time (Chronos) in WT.

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From:           Jack Heller <
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Date:           Friday, 14 May 2004 10:39:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 15.1062 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1062 Touchstone and the Gods

Apparently, I need to spend more time reading the "romance" plays.

I did think of the goddesses in The Tempest before I wrote my response
to the original post, but as those were performances by the spirits, I
didn't think they would quite parallel the appearance of Hymen in AYLI.

Thanks for all the responses,
Jack Heller
Huntington College

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From:           Ray Lischner <
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Date:           Friday, 14 May 2004 12:43:30 -0400
Subject:        Re: Touchstone and the Gods

On Wednesday, 12 May 2004 06:59:58 -0500 (EST), Jack Heller wrote:

 >...Unless Hecate counts in Macbeth, I can't think offhand of any
 >other gods showing up in Shakespeare's plays

Don't forget Jupiter in Cymbeline.

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From:           D Bloom <
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Date:           Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:03:53 -0500
Subject: 15.1062 Touchstone and the Gods
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1062 Touchstone and the Gods

My thanks to all who responded so helpfully, but that wasn't actually my
question. I'll try to phrase it more clearly.

Granted the censorship of plays to avoid blasphemous use of "God," I
understand fully why Touchstone and Audrey would refer repeatedly to
"the gods" as making her poetical, honest, foul, sluttish, or whatever,
rather than to God making her so. But why then does Touchstone refer
directly to God when talking to Corin? He says "God help thee . . . God
make incision in thee." This is not to mention other places in the play
where "God" is used rather than "the gods."

Why would WS bother with "the gods" as a euphemism in the
Touchstone-Audrey scene, if he didn't have to use it in the
Touchstone-Corin scene and elsewhere?

I was wondering if this indicated that the play as received in the Folio
text is in a sense two versions, part of it a censored version, part
not. Perhaps the censored version was changed back to an uncensored
state, but those lines were (for some reason) not changed.

Thus my query: does anyone know of a comment on this (not very
important) oddity?

Thanks,
don

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