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Representing Incest in Genealogy
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1153  Monday, 31 May 2004

[1]     From:   Claude Caspar <
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        Date:   Friday, 28 May 2004 10:19:13 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1142 Representing Incest in Genealogy

[2]     From:   D Bloom <
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        Date:   Friday, 28 May 2004 10:55:28 -0500
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.1142 Representing Incest in Genealogy

[3]     From:   Gabriel Egan <
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        Date:   Friday, 28 May 2004 17:57:12 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1142 Representing Incest in Genealogy


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From:           Claude Caspar <
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Date:           Friday, 28 May 2004 10:19:13 -0400
Subject: 15.1142 Representing Incest in Genealogy
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1142 Representing Incest in Genealogy

See the very interesting "The Incest Theme in Literature & Legend," by
Otto Rank [1992 edition], with much on WS throughout.

http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=21738910287112

For a visual representation of a family tree:

http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/2000/wfincst/results.htm

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From:           D Bloom <
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Date:           Friday, 28 May 2004 10:55:28 -0500
Subject: 15.1142 Representing Incest in Genealogy
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1142 Representing Incest in Genealogy

I'm not sure under what circumstances incestuous *parenthood* would ever
be accepted, and thus ever be more than speculation on the part of later
genealogists. How would we know? Are there *any* instances where incest
(according the modern definition) was ever countenanced or admitted, and
thus offspring of such a union presented to the world as such products?

I remember reading somewhere that Lucrezia Borgia was debauched by her
father and brothers, and bore children by them. Were they accepted as
regular Borgias? Is that what is being referred to?

Cheers,
don

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From:           Gabriel Egan <
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Date:           Friday, 28 May 2004 17:57:12 +0100
Subject: 15.1142 Representing Incest in Genealogy
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1142 Representing Incest in Genealogy

I'm grateful to Bill Arnold for pondering my question, but I confess I
can't see the point of this part of his answer:

 >Particularly in rural areas of America, where there were limited numbers
 >of families, and there was desire for families to hold lands in common
 >in families, there was marriage among cousins that would be frowned upon
 >today.  In other words, the question you raise has no easy answer.

My question was about how an instance of parent/child incest is
represented in a family tree, because the vertical and horizontal line
convention, for child and mate relations respectively, doesn't seem able
to show the child who is also the mate. Mating cousins don't present
this problem. I'm grateful, though, for the tip about the National
Genealogical Society, to whom I've sent an enquiry.

Graham Hall kindly tries to save me from a cul-de-sac:

 >The latest Arden Pericles (ed. Suzanne Gossett) glancingly glosses
 >a mixture of these topics. Not as specific as may be wished, but a
 >research cul-de-sac is worthy of mention to save other travellers
 >some time.

There's so much of great value in Gossett's introduction that I'm loathe
to complain that although she writes about the arboreal imagery and the
incest she doesn't put them together. In fact, I'm glad.

Gabriel Egan

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