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Modified Procedures
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1799  Friday, 1 October 2004

[1]     From:   Stanley Wells <
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        Date:   Thursday, 30 Sep 2004 17:52:00 +0100
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.1794 Modified Procedures

[2]     From:   M Yawney <
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        Date:   Thursday, 30 Sep 2004 13:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1794 Modified Procedures

[3]     From:   R. A. Cantrell <
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        Date:   Thursday, 30 Sep 2004 15:19:30 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1794 Modified Procedures

[4]     From:   Judy Lewis <
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        Date:   Friday, 01 Oct 2004 08:43:28 +1200
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1794 Modified Procedures


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From:           Stanley Wells <
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Date:           Thursday, 30 Sep 2004 17:52:00 +0100
Subject: 15.1794 Modified Procedures
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1794 Modified Procedures

I must disagree profoundly with my friend Terry Hawkes. The comments
about another friend, Simon Russell Beale, were deeply and personally
offensive to an extent that I should imagine would have been libellous
if they had appeared in print. I don't see why they should be regarded
as any more acceptable on the internet.

Stanley Wells

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From:           M Yawney <
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Date:           Thursday, 30 Sep 2004 13:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 15.1794 Modified Procedures
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1794 Modified Procedures

There is an error creeping into the Weinstein discussion.

He defended his email by suggesting an analogy to sharp-penned critics
and gave some excerpts from reviews for comparison.

Many people who have responded to his email refer to his criticism of
the Macbeth production as a review.

However, a review is always written after seeing a production. Mr.
Weinstein has NOT seen this production, which means his comments are
based on what he anticipates will be the effect.

There is nothing wrong with speculating on hypotheticals, but such
comments should be distinguished from those based on first-hand knowledge.

I myself am not a fan of the actor in question and do not expect this
production to be very good, but I would never call that opinion a
review. It is something very different and I would expect the listener
to give it a different weight from the view of someone who had actually
attended the production.
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From:           R. A. Cantrell <
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Date:           Thursday, 30 Sep 2004 15:19:30 -0500
Subject: 15.1794 Modified Procedures
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1794 Modified Procedures

 >For heaven's sake, enough of this pious hand-wringing. The wit, bite and
 >style of Charles Weinstein's contributions make them far more
 >exhilarating than some of the unctuous oozings that too often clog up
 >this list. If SHAKSPER is to be anything more than a vicar's tea-party,
 >we should certainly not discourage them.

Hear, hear.

 >The real danger is that we'll
 >all end up sounding like Kenneth Chan.

Now that was tacky. We can't go home again, so I'm told.

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From:           Judy Lewis <
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Date:           Friday, 01 Oct 2004 08:43:28 +1200
Subject: 15.1794 Modified Procedures
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1794 Modified Procedures

L Swilley wrote:

 >It is ideal to have a Rudolpho and a Mimi who are
 >19-year-old models right out of Vanity Fair Magazine, but would we not
 >rather have Pavoritti and another celebrated behemoth singing for us,
 >especially since we quickly put aside thoughts about their size and age
 >and are swept away by those grand voices, that beautiful music and that
 >touching story?  The ripped and bulked Brad Pitt may be better
 >physically suited for the role of Achilles, but would we not more
 >eagerly accept a Jeremy Irons, a Ralph Fiennes or - God help us - a John
 >Gielgud in the role?

Well, no.  Film is unforgiving and physical suitability is a major
issue. The role of Achilles demands someone with the physical beauty of
a Brad Pitt; none of the other actors mentioned would be at all
suitable.  Of course it helps if the star can actually act as well as
look beautiful.  I did not see Troy after its bad reviews, but Brad Pitt
can usually acquit himself well, and if he did not do so here, then
maybe the fault lies in the direction or the script (though a great
actor can make even bad dialogue sound good, as Russell Crowe did in
Gladiator.)

Pavarotti may be fine as Rodolpho on CD but, please, not on stage or film!!

A recent local stage production of The Magic Flute was totally spoiled
for me by a leading man who sang well but was short, fat and stodgy; the
effect was risible.  The best Boheme on film is Baz Luhrmann's wonderful
Australian Opera production, with its young and beautiful - and sexy -
leads.

And let us demand the same of Shakespeare productions.  He wrote older
roles for Burbage as he got older.   So let us have Romeo and Juliet
young and beautiful, at least on film.  And so on.

Judy Lewis

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