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Modified Procedures
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1816  Monday, 4 October 2004

[1]     From:   Kathy Dent <
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        Date:   Friday, 01 Oct 2004 14:05:12 +0100
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.1799 Modified Procedures

[2]     From:   Stuart Hampton-Reeves <
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        Date:   Friday, 01 Oct 2004 14:51:47 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1799 Modified Procedures

[3]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Friday, 01 Oct 2004 11:01:42 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1799 Modified Procedures

[4]     From:   Matthew Baynham <
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        Date:   Sunday, 3 Oct 2004 11:18:22 +0100
        Subj:   Modified Procedures

[5]     From:   David Evett <
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        Date:   Friday, 1 Oct 2004 16:14:39 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1742 Beale-Fielding Macbeth

[6]     From:   Charles Weinstein <
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        Date:   Sunday, 3 Oct 2004 14:49:55 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1799 Modified Procedures

[7]     From:   Kenneth Chan <
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        Date:   Monday, 04 Oct 2004 10:13:32 +0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1794 Modified Procedures


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From:           Kathy Dent <
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Date:           Friday, 01 Oct 2004 14:05:12 +0100
Subject: 15.1799 Modified Procedures
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1799 Modified Procedures

 >And let us demand the same of Shakespeare productions.  He wrote older
 >roles for Burbage as he got older.   So let us have Romeo and Juliet
 >young and beautiful, at least on film.  And so on.
 >
 >Judy Lewis

Yes, and let us have Juliet played by a BOY, just as Shakespeare
intended!  How pitiful is the audience so bereft of imaginary forces
that every character has to announce what they are by how they look.
Surface charm is for the cinema.  The theatre has so much more than this
to offer.

Kathy Dent

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From:           Stuart Hampton-Reeves <
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Date:           Friday, 01 Oct 2004 14:51:47 +0100
Subject: 15.1799 Modified Procedures
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1799 Modified Procedures

Regarding the recent post about Simon Russell Beale, Stanley Wells
writes about comments that "I should imagine would have been libellous
if they had appeared in print. I don't see why they should be regarded
as any more acceptable on the internet." Whether the comments are
libellous or not does not depend on whether they are in print or on the
internet. Charles W should not worry unduly however - it will be Hardy
who receives the writ as the email containing the libel is from him.
This, for me, is the most worrying aspect of the affair and why
moderated procedures are essential for the future of this list.

Stuart Hampton-Reeves

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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Friday, 01 Oct 2004 11:01:42 -0400
Subject: 15.1799 Modified Procedures
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1799 Modified Procedures

 >Shakespeare ... wrote older
 >roles for Burbage as he got older.

Indeed; and he might have tinkered with the text of Act V of Hamlet
after people started joking about a fat forty year old playing a
character who was evidently supposed to be a fit twenty year old.

It is after Hamlet that the male leads were all middle aged or upwards.

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From:           Matthew Baynham <
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Date:           Sunday, 3 Oct 2004 11:18:22 +0100
Subject:        Modified Procedures

I don't know who originally made the 'vicar's tea party' crack, but me
and my clerical mates can find out where he lives and come round and
sort him out any time.

Matthew Baynham
(erstwhile Vicar, St Luke's Cradley Heath, The Ascension, Bath etc etc.)

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From:           David Evett <
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Date:           Friday, 1 Oct 2004 16:14:39 -0400
Subject: 15.1742 Beale-Fielding Macbeth
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1742 Beale-Fielding Macbeth

Sorry to reply so late to this, but I skipped over the original post.
Charles Weinstein seems to let deeply stereotypical images of lovers and
heroes prevent his responding to characterizations that, as they differ
from those that established the stereotype, may refresh our reactions to
the parts we've already seen performed many times.  Beale is plump: on
stage, plump is funny; Beale must therefore be confined to comic roles.
  I think, instead, of an authoritative and moving Cyrano I saw at the
Shaw Festival in 1983, performed by a rotund little comic actor named
Heath Lamberts; despite his tummy he radiated conviction and
intelligence and purpose, spoke as well as anybody I've heard, and moved
with such grace and energy and economy that his mastery in the swordplay
scenes was utterly persuasive.  But since he fell short--and wide--of
the standard criteria for masculine sexual appeal it was not just his
nose that prevented the dim-witted Roxanne from seeing the inner man.  I
think also of Peter Ustinov's sweet, sad Lear at Stratford, Ont.  And of
some chubby athletes--Charles Barkley, Kirby Puckett--who surprised a
lot of opponents and sportswriters and fans by their speed and
effectiveness.  Should we not wait until we see the performance to judge it?

David Evett

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From:           Charles Weinstein <
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Date:           Sunday, 3 Oct 2004 14:49:55 -0400
Subject: 15.1799 Modified Procedures
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1799 Modified Procedures

Stanley Wells wrote:

 >"I must disagree profoundly with my friend Terry Hawkes. The comments
 >about another friend, Simon Russell Beale, were deeply and personally
 >offensive to an extent that I should imagine would have been libellous
 >if they had appeared in print. I don't see why they should be regarded
 >as any more acceptable on the internet."

I'm a lawyer (J.D., Harvard Law School, 1980), and am not impressed by
specious imputations of libel.  Let me remind or inform Professor Wells
that Beale's physicality and sexuality have been openly discussed in the
mainstream press as well as on the Internet.  Some believe that his
obesity and effeminacy do not qualify his effectiveness in roles such as
Hamlet.  Others, including Robert Brustein and John Simon, have taken
the opposite view.

A more serious concern is that Beale lacks the talent to offset or
transcend his other deficits.  In that regard, I would repeat the
summary that I offered last year, viz., that he is conceptually
unimaginative, rhetorically mediocre, vocally congested, physically
graceless, emotionally shallow and dramatically turgid.  I could
elaborate upon any or all of those judgments, and will do so if requested.

Obviously, those who disagree are free to express their opinion.  Just
as obviously, they are not free to suppress mine.

Finally, I wish that some people would stop confusing protectiveness
towards friends with adherence to principle.  The two are not the same;
very often, one entails the sacrifice of the other.

--Charles Weinstein

P.S.  Let's regard the Henry VI.2 jokes as given.

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From:           Kenneth Chan <
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Date:           Monday, 04 Oct 2004 10:13:32 +0800
Subject: 15.1794 Modified Procedures
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1794 Modified Procedures

Terence Hawkes writes:

 >"The real danger is that we'll
 >all end up sounding like Kenneth Chan."

As I said earlier, Terence, I am irrelevant in the broader scheme of
things, so you are entitled to your opinion.

Regards,
Kenneth Chan
http://www.hamlet.vze.com

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