2004

2 Gents on pinkmonkey

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1939  Monday, 25 October 2004

[1]     From:   Norman Hinton <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 22 Oct 2004 10:38:27 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1925 2 Gents on pinkmonkey

[2]     From:   Larry Weiss <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 22 Oct 2004 13:23:33 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1925 2 Gents on pinkmonkey


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From:           Norman Hinton <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 22 Oct 2004 10:38:27 -0500
Subject: 15.1925 2 Gents on pinkmonkey
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1925 2 Gents on pinkmonkey

I used to tell my students who were going to be teachers "You will of
course work as hard as you can, but the one to three hours a week that
we get the students and talk about good writing is snowed under by the
hours per week they hear from athletic coaches, insurance salesman, disc
jockeys, school principals, and other folks who don't have a grasp of
Standard Written English...."

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From:           Larry Weiss <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 22 Oct 2004 13:23:33 -0400
Subject: 15.1925 2 Gents on pinkmonkey
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1925 2 Gents on pinkmonkey

It is not astonishing to find poor diction in engineering journals.  But
what about publications that have traditionally prided themselves on the
purity of their English?

I have recently found a number of solecisms of this sort in The New
Yorker of all places.  For example, in an article by an Australian
priest who complained that he had been discriminated against in a
variety of ways, he said that he had been asked to take a certain test
"biennially."  In context, he clearly meant "semiannually."  How would
Ross have reacted?

Perhaps this sloppiness goes hand-in-hand with The New Yorker's
transmutation into a flaccid left-leaning organ.

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Greenblatt

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1938  Monday, 25 October 2004

[1]     From:   Douglas Galbi <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 22 Oct 2004 09:34:01 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1915 Greenblatt

[2]     From:   Larry Weiss <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 22 Oct 2004 13:01:23 -0400
        Subj:   Conventional names


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From:           Douglas Galbi <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 22 Oct 2004 09:34:01 -0400
Subject: 15.1915 Greenblatt
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1915 Greenblatt

 >No characters named Mary in the plays, either, though Marias appear, in
 >TN, as noted, and in LLL.

Circa 1600, Mary, Maria, and Marie are names that all commonly had the
same referent, in the same way that Jim and James do today.  For
documentation and references, see Section IV.C, p. 105 of "Sense in
Communication," freely available at www.galbithink.org  Within TN, Maria
is referred to as Mary twice; see TN 1.5.10 and 2.3.111

 >For today I recommend reading the Malvolio-Maria-Sir Toby-Sir Andrew
 >part of *TN* as farce.  Farce is by definition heartless, and labeling
 >Maria as "viciously instrumental" (I don't know exactly what
 >"instrumental" is supposed to mean, here) for supplying us with much
 >amusement, or as a social climber because she makes a marriage that
 >will
 >allow her to move from genteel servitude to genteel independence, seems
 >to me generically inappropriate.

A character's entrances and exits provide a heightened opportunity to
challenge the natural human tendency to type-cast persons.  Consider
Maria's first lines in her first three entrances:

"By my troth, Sir Toby, you must come in earlier o' nights.  Your
cousin, my lady, takes great exceptions to your ill hours."

"Nay, either tell me where thou hast been, or I will not open my lips so
wide as a bristle may enter in way of thy excuse.  My lady will hang
thee for thy absence."

"What a caterwauling do you keep here? If my lady have not called up her
steward Malvolio and bid him turn you out of doors, never trust me.

In her last words in the play, Maria notes that the clown might have
tormented Malvolio without the curate's disguise that she urged upon
him, for "He sees thee not."

In the final act, Maria is absent. It seems to me that to see Maria just
as a generic amusing servant/social climber is not to see her fully.

Douglas Galbi

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From:           Larry Weiss <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 22 Oct 2004 13:01:23 -0400
Subject:        Conventional names

The apparent association of Mariana with bed tricks raises an intriguing
idea.  Did certain names have conventional significance, a la the stock
characters in Commedia dell' Arte?  For example, did "Antonio" and
"Sebastian:" signal "homosexual"?

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"Ain't" in Shakespeare?

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1936  Monday, 25 October 2004

From:           Debra Murphy <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 22 Oct 2004 06:24:03 -0700
Subject: 15.1922 "Ain't" in Shakespeare?
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1922 "Ain't" in Shakespeare?

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Thank you, gentlemen, for your extra efforts in nailing this one down,
and so swiftly.  I'll pass on the information to my questioner.

And as usual with this group, I, too, now know something I didn't know a
few days ago.

Debra Murphy
http://www.bardolatry.com
http://www.themysteryofthings.com

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Help with Secretary Hand

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1937  Monday, 25 October 2004

[1]     From:   Deborah Selden <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 22 Oct 2004 09:56:37 -0500
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.1928 Help with Secretary Hand

[2]     From:   Steve Sohmer <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 22 Oct 2004 11:33:28 EDT
        Subj:   Help with Secretary Hand


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From:           Deborah Selden <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 22 Oct 2004 09:56:37 -0500
Subject: 15.1928 Help with Secretary Hand
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1928 Help with Secretary Hand

Dear Scholars:

I, too, need assistance in translating a document in Secretary Hand.
Unfortunately, my document is 40 + pages.

Humbly yours,
Deborah Selden

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From:           Steve Sohmer <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 22 Oct 2004 11:33:28 EDT
Subject:        Help with Secretary Hand

Dear Friends,

Thanks very much to all for your instant and generous response to my
request for help with reading Secretary Hand. A Shaksperean has
volunteered to give it a try.

All the best,
Steve

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Shakespeare and Sufism

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1935  Monday, 25 October 2004

From:           Peter Bridgman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Sunday, 24 Oct 2004 01:25:45 +0100
Subject:        Shakespeare and Sufism

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1334860,00.html

Sufi or not Sufi? That is the question
Islam week at the Globe Theatre will link Shakespeare with a mystic
Muslim sect
Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
Sunday October 24, 2004

The Observer

The influence of William Shakespeare on western culture has made him
arguably Britain's greatest export. Now it is being claimed that his
work resembles the teachings of the Islamic Sufi sect.

The argument will be put forward next month at Shakespeare's Globe
Theatre in London. It comes as part of a week of events focusing on
Islam to address concerns raised by the 'war on terror' and improve
understanding of the links between Islam and British culture.

[ . . . ]

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