2004

Long Posts & Lists

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1737  Friday, 17 September 2004

[1]     From:   William Proctor Williams <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 16 Sep 2004 11:27:58 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists

[2]     From:   Thomas Bishop <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 16 Sep 2004 12:00:04 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists

[3]     From:   Phyllis Gorfain <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 16 Sep 2004 14:32:06 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists

[4]     From:   Kenneth Chan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 17 Sep 2004 09:15:24 +0800
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists

[5]     From:   Arthur Lindley <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, 17 Sep 2004 10:22:34 +0800
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists

[6]     From:   Hardy M. Cook <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Friday, September 17, 2004
        Subj:   Editor's Comment


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From:           William Proctor Williams <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 16 Sep 2004 11:27:58 -0400
Subject: 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists

Amen!

William Proctor Williams

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From:           Thomas Bishop <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 16 Sep 2004 12:00:04 -0400
Subject: 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists

Hear, hear, Frank Whigham.

Tom

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From:           Phyllis Gorfain <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 16 Sep 2004 14:32:06 -0400
Subject: 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists

In reply to Frank Whigham's posting:

Hear! Hear!

Phyllis Gorfain
Oberlin College

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From:           Kenneth Chan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 17 Sep 2004 09:15:24 +0800
Subject: 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists

Frank Whigham writes:

 >"I'd like to make a plea that listmembers work harder to keep their posts
 >down to a normal size. ..."

Frank, your point is well taken. My apologies if I have adopted the
wrong approach. Regarding "the meaning of Hamlet," I will try (to some
extent) to rectify the situation by posting up excerpts from the book,
and perhaps an article or two. Although I cannot post all the material
up (it is too long), these should provide any interested reader with
enough information on the key points without having to read the book,
and also without having to clutter up the list with long posts.

I will probably place these articles on my own website (which is readily
accessible) so that our Editor can be spared the additional work of
formatting them. This might take me a little time, though, as I only
know how to prepare html documents "manually."

I believe, however, that a discussion on this forum is, nonetheless,
beneficial as a sounding board for different opinions, and I am grateful
that such an opportunity is available. The benefit of having such a
discussion, I sincerely hope, will become self-evident in time.

Regards,
Kenneth Chan
http://www.hamlet.vze.com

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From:           Arthur Lindley <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 17 Sep 2004 10:22:34 +0800
Subject: 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1733 Long Posts & Lists

I concur; more self-editing, please.

Arthur Lindley

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From:           Hardy M. Cook <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, September 17, 2004
Subject:        Editor's Comment

Dear SHAKSPEReans,

I would like to thank Frank Whigham, a member of the SHAKSPER Advisory
Board, for his comments.

The Advisory Board <http://www.shaksper.net/board.html> has, I believe,
wisely advised me in the past of the wisdom of not imposing inflexible
guidelines on the list, instead encouraging me to follow my best
instincts and generously offering advice when I request it.

I do not want to micromanage this list, putting myself in the position
of arbitrator for all posts of what is and is not acceptable. This does
not mean that I do not reject submissions or ask members to reconsider;
I do. My preference is, however, for member moderation. I have pleaded
for years for self-moderation, "counting to ten" as it were. Of course,
what is one person's self-moderation is another's outline of line
posting. So I also ask members to speak up when they feel that
submissions are not appropriate for an inclusive, academic conference.

I receive no institutional or outside support, except from Eric Luhrs,
for SHAKSPER. Much of the time (and it does take a great deal of time),
this list is fun for me. Sometimes, it is a chore. But so is life.

Hardy M. Cook
Editor

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Mark Rylance

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1736  Thursday, 16 September 2004

From:           Franklin J. Hildy <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 15 Sep 2004 23:15:41 -0400
Subject:        Mark Rylance is leaving the Globe

I received notice today that Mark Rylance will step down as the Artistic
Director of the Globe at the end of the 2005 season, his 10th season at
the Globe. Any future work he does at the Globe he hopes to do as just
another member of the company.  He was among the few remaining
actor/managers in the country and has done an impossible task with great
artistic skill, a remarkable sensitivity,  real grace and honest
humility. It is going to be a tremendous challenge for the Shakespeare's
Globe Trust to find someone capable of picking up where Mr. Rylance
leaves off. .

Shakespeare's Globe was originally built as a laboratory for the study
of Shakespeare's play in performance and what was to distinguish it from
the hundreds of other Shakespeare companies in the world was its
occasional exploration of original staging practices and its continual
efforts to come to terms with the special dynamics of the unique
architectural form of the building.   Since no two scholars agree on
what original staging practices might be or how the building's dynamics
might work for classic or modern plays, the Artistic Director was bound
to be the continual object of criticism.  At the same time, the Globe is
the third largest venue in London and a highly visible professional
theatre that had to be a success on it own terms and had to overcome the
notion that it might be a museum theatre. This required it to take risks
and not to be afraid of failure. The Globe is not a subsidized theatre
so the courage that took was considerable as the entire project came to
depend on the financial success of the professional acting company. A
major error on Mr. Rylance's part could easily have put the
International Shakespeare Globe Center into bankruptcy.

Mr. Rylance has guided the Globe theatre through its first 10 seasons
with great skill and diplomacy and made it one of the most successful
theatres in London. He will be missed by all of us who have worked on
this project for so long (in my case, god forbid, 20 years this year.)

Franklin J. Hildy

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British Shakespeare Association Conference

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1734  Thursday, 16 September 2004

From:           Kate Chedgzoy <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 15 Sep 2004 15:27:58 +0100
Subject:        British Shakespeare Association Conference

Please would you post the following:

May I remind colleagues that the deadline for submissions to the 2005
British Shakespeare Association conference is October 1 2004.  We invite
proposals for papers, panels and seminars addressing any aspect of
Shakespeare's works - context, text, performance, reception and
appropriation. Panels and seminars may be convened by individuals, or by
two or more collaborators. Proposals from colleagues at all career
stages, and from all parts of the world, are welcome, and there will be
a series of sessions dedicated to postgraduate students.  Full details
on how to submit proposals can be found on the conference website, at
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/niassh/shakespeare/cfp.htm.

Many thanks,
Professor Kate Chedgzoy
School of English Literature, Language and Linguistics
University of Newcastle

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Portraits Exibition

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1735  Thursday, 16 September 2004

From:           Al Magary <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 15 Sep 2004 16:27:40 -0700
Subject:        See Chandos, Sanders, Grafton, Flowers portraits all together
in 2006

Disputed painting of Shakespeare takes centre stage for portrait
gallery's 150th anniversary show

By Louise Jury Arts Correspondent

The Independent, 16 September 2004

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=562189

A portrait of Shakespeare that was the first work given to the National
Portrait Gallery will form the centrepiece of an exhibition celebrating
the institution's 150th anniversary in 2006.

The so-called Chandos portrait, which has been the subject of fierce
debate over whether it really does feature Shakespeare, is set to be
joined by other controversial portraits of the writer whose life is
little documented.

The National Portrait Gallery's work, named because it was once owned by
the Duke of Chandos, has been attributed to a painter called John Taylor
and dated to around 1610.

Sandy Nairne, the gallery's director, said yesterday he was convinced it
really was Shakespeare. "But it is intriguing because it's a portrait
about which everyone has argued."

There are records which show it was originally owned by the playwright
and theatre manager Sir William Davenant, born in 1606, who claimed to
have been Shakespeare's illegitimate son.

Other works which the gallery has secured tentative agreement to show
include the portrait which emerged a couple of years ago in the hands of
a family called Sanders in Canada which has a crumbling label bearing
the legend "Shakespere" on the back, the Grafton portrait in the Rylands
Library in Manchester and the Flowers portrait owned by the Royal
Shakespeare Company (RSC).

Jacob Simon, the chief curator, said there were perhaps half a dozen
17th century portraits which were contenders to be considered genuine
portraits of the Bard although nearly all have been the subject of
disagreements.

But he pointed out that there were archive boxes of dozens of portraits
which supposedly depict Shakespeare. "Over the years there are probably
a couple of hundred that at one stage or another people have thought 'he
looks like a writer, he must be ...'," Mr Simon said.

The celebration of Shakespeare will coincide with a massive festival of
Shakespeare being planned by the RSC which is to present all his plays
in one season.  [See Google News index on this story:
http://tinyurl.com/3phzl
or
http://news.google.com/news?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&persist=1&num=30&hl=en&client=google&ncl=http://www.playbill.com/news/article/88430.html

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Long Posts & Lists

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1733  Thursday, 16 September 2004

From:           Frank Whigham <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 15 Sep 2004 10:46:16 -0500
Subject:        Long Posts & Lists

I'd like to make a plea that listmembers work harder to keep their posts
down to a normal size. These huge agons are tiring to sort through in
search of the rich variety that makes this list so good, even when
they're not tiring in their own right. If the material is long enough to
warrant many screens, it would be better to write it up properly, as a
preliminary article, and ask Hardy to post it in the webspace for
material for review, and those who wish can read it there.

There's a media-transformation pattern arising here. A list such as this
one allows writers to bypass the quality-control teeth of peer review
associated with publication, and (to use the computer-marketing term)
"push" their ideas to their target recipients without intervening
filters (aside from moderator interventions, and Hardy is committed to a
free-speech model). Readers mostly have to go to the library to read us
in actual print, but if we can force them to find our ideas on their own
computers, we can bypass their own inaction or disinterest, and make
them either read us or take active steps (always described as "easy") to
delete us. This version usually gets posed as a positive ("ease of
access": here, to "scholarship"), but it seems to me clearly similar in
its negative side to spamming. Most of us want less ease of access to
illegal financial transfers and organ enlargement. So too with (for me)
huge SHAKSPER posts. One can always say, "well, just delete it," but the
spam parallel suggests that it can be more invasive than that. The
spammers hate the idea of our having access to a "do not call" response,
but who cares?

It depends, I guess, on what we think this list, and lists, are for.
There are many answers. I don't myself think they're useful for readings
of entire plays, which ought to take article form. Nor do I generally
find vendetta or vita comparison or idees fixes useful. Some of these
latter are unavoidable, and we all know the demon that tempts one to
stabbing reply. When these combine, it's pretty unsightly. At least
posts could be much shorter than some have been lately. Questions about
"the meaning of Hamlet," for instance, strike me as inappropriate to a
scholarly list, though of course all questions about Hamlet will end up
engaging the macro version at some point. *Starting* there, beginning by
claiming you have it, suggests to me that you ought to write it up and
send it out and see if it will fly, not pelt hundreds with it hoping
that three will get back to you.

These are complex questions, and we'll all feel various things about
them. However, whatever the intellectual and media-form issues are, I'm
quite sure it takes Hardy a long time to format and prepare them (never
mind reading them). We are all presuming on his non-tireless labors, and
I'd hate to wear him down for the sake of a small portion of the
readership. Of course, perhaps most folks are more engaged with the
allegorical and spiritual jousts than I am. That would be the only
excuse for making him do the work, and we're pushing our luck when it's
not the case. As the business folks say, you spend 90% of your time
managing 10% of the people. When he asks us to count to ten (as he has
repeatedly), we should count to twenty. All of us. We don't have a right
to his labors; they're a privilege, and we abuse it too often. Unlike
department chairs, he is not doomed for a certain term to walk the
night. He can decide anytime that the list is too much trouble. Let's
please not tempt him overmuch.

Sorry for the long post.

Frank Whigham

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