2004

Bob Dylan Ranked with Shakespeare

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1554  Friday, 20 August 2004

From:           Hardy M. Cook <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, August 20, 2004
Subject:        Bob Dylan Ranked with Shakespeare

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/9418600.htm

Posted on Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2004
Bob Dylan ranked with Shakespeare
By Dan DeLuca
Inquirer Staff Writer
Philadelphia Inquirer

These days, when Bob Dylan takes the stage on his Never Ending Tour - if
it's Tuesday, he must be in Charleston, S.C. - he's introduced as "the
poet laureate of rock-and-roll."

The songwriting bard has answered to that title since the early 1960s,
when the jingle jangle of his "skipping reels of rhyme" exploded notions
of pop music's creative limitations, and in the words of Bruce
Springsteen, "freed your mind the way Elvis freed your body."

But do great pop songs qualify as great poems? That question is as fresh
as Eminem and Jay-Z, and as old as "Mr. Tambourine Man." And in Dylan's
case, the answer, according to Christopher Ricks, is not blowing in the
wind. It's a resounding yes.

That's noteworthy because Ricks is not just some rabid Dylan fan -
though he is that - but because he is one of the most eminent literary
critics in the English language. He teaches at Boston University, has
been named to the prestigious Professor of Poetry post at Oxford
University, and has published books on John Milton, John Keats, and
Samuel Beckett.

Ricks has just added to that shelf with Dylan's Visions of Sin
(HarperCollins), a 538-page close reading of the scribe who once rhymed
"man and God and law" with "everybody says she's the brains behind pa"
that scrutinizes Dylan's work with learned authority and an uncontained
enthusiasm for Dylanesque wordplay. The book's aim, Ricks says, is to
examine "the way in which Dylan resembles the great poets, and is
himself a great poet, if what we mean by poet is imaginative availer of
the great resources of language."

[ . . . ]

Still, he's irked that some reviewers have acted as if he must be
"dippy" because he believes Dylan's artistic accomplishments place him
in the company of Shakespeare and Picasso.

[ . . . ]

Pop music and film, Ricks says, "are the creative arts that have serious
opportunity to do what Shakespearean theater did centuries ago, when
people who were groundlings went because there is a bloody good duel at
the end of Hamlet, and lots of low humor, including obscene puns, in the
comedies. It was a Basement Tapes world."

And just as Shakespeare provided an evening of ripping entertainment
with extraordinary insight, so it is that grandly ambitious artists like
Dylan turn up with a guitar and microphone.

"At a Dylan concert," the professor says, "it's possible to have 5,000
people in a room thrilling to a common experience though they are of
quite different ages, social experiences and levels of education, and
bring to the music quite different hopes. And to have all these hopes
quite differently fulfilled. It's marvelous that such things happen."

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The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1553  Friday, 20 August 2004

From:           Mike Jensen <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 19 Aug 2004 18:31:46 -0700
Subject:        Frank C. Baxter

If you knew Frank C. Baxter of USC, will you please contact me off list
at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. ? I have a couple of questions about him,
generated by his radio work.

All the best,
Mike Jensen

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Elizabeth Cary's 'Tragedie of Mariam

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1551  Friday, 20 August 2004

From:           Natalie Bennett <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 19 Aug 2004 13:19:12 +0100
Subject:        Elizabeth Cary's 'Tragedie of Mariam'

I've just been reading about Elizabeth (Tanfield) Cary, Viscountess
Falkland, and her "Tragedie of Mariam" (1613), and wondering if it has
been produced in "modern" times?

Natalie Bennett
London
http://www.journ.freeserve.co.uk/
http://philobiblion.blogspot.com/

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Birthday Parties in Early Modern England

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1552  Friday, 20 August 2004

From:           David Nicol <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 19 Aug 2004 16:03:59 +0000
Subject:        Birthday Parties in Early Modern England

Someone just asked me a question that I couldn't answer, but it
intrigued me and I wondered if others might be able to.

Did the Elizabethans celebrate their birthdays? And if so, would they
receive presents, or have a party? Or is that tradition a far more
recent development?

Any theories would be gratefully received.

David Nicol

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Question Concerning Measure for Measure

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1550  Thursday, 19 August 2004

[1]     From:   Peter Bridgman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Wednesday, 18 Aug 2004 19:12:58 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1545 Question Concerning Measure for Measure

[2]     From:   Rolland Banker <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Wednesday, 18 Aug 2004 23:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
        Subj:   SHK 15.1528 Question Concerning Measure for Measure/ of Salt?


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From:           Peter Bridgman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 18 Aug 2004 19:12:58 +0100
Subject: 15.1545 Question Concerning Measure for Measure
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1545 Question Concerning Measure for Measure

Bill Lloyd writes ...

 >I haven't seen the essay forthcoming in "Shakespeare and the
 >Mediterranean", but I believe the argument is made there that Measure
 >for Measure was not originally set in Vienna, but in I forget which
 >Italian city.  Perhaps we should seek for a St Luke's there.  Any
 >Italian geographers out there? Anyone know which city?

An Italian setting makes a lot of sense given the names of the
characters (Vincentio, Angelo, Claudio, Isabella, Lucio, Mariana,
Francesca).  However, I doubt if WS had a specific location in mind as
his knowledge of Italian geography was dreadful.

The first scene of Two Gentlemen of Verona gives the impression that it
is possible to travel by sea from Verona to Milan.  Milan is again a
seaport in the Tempest.  And neither of the two plays set in Venice
mention canals.

Peter Bridgman

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From:           Rolland Banker <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Wednesday, 18 Aug 2004 23:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Question Concerning Measure for Measure/ of Salt?
Comment:        SHK 15.1528 Question Concerning Measure for Measure/ of Salt?

To engage the debate, I Googled, and voil


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