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Representing Incest in Genealogy
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1174  Wednesday, 2 June 2004

[1]     From:   Duncan Salkeld <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 13:58:01 +0100 (BST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1166 Representing Incest in Genealogy

[2]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 01 Jun 2004 14:13:51 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1166 Representing Incest in Genealogy

[3]     From:   D Bloom <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 14:28:15 -0500
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.1166 Representing Incest in Genealogy


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From:           Duncan Salkeld <
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Date:           Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 13:58:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: 15.1166 Representing Incest in Genealogy
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1166 Representing Incest in Genealogy

Not that this is what Gabriel Egan asked for, but for interest's sake,
the Bridewell archive has the following entry:

Henry Mallory and Sibill chapeleyer brought into this house the xii of
June 1560 for that they being brother and sister were taken in naked Bed
, and for that the fact is abhominable they were adiudged to ryde in a
carte thesayd [sic] daye and were.

Duncan Salkeld

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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Tuesday, 01 Jun 2004 14:13:51 -0400
Subject: 15.1166 Representing Incest in Genealogy
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1166 Representing Incest in Genealogy

Isn't there an Old Testament tale about two sisters who seduce their
father into a three-way?  As I recall, it was considered admirable for
some reason.

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From:           D Bloom <
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Date:           Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 14:28:15 -0500
Subject: 15.1166 Representing Incest in Genealogy
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1166 Representing Incest in Genealogy

Yes, the rulers of Egypt seem to have practiced institutional incest
because they were gods and could only mate with other gods. But that
hardly constitutes a major exception. I have only limited knowledge of
this, but my impression is that incest was as tabooed in ancient Egypt
as everywhere else . . . for everyone except the god-kings.

With regard to Lucrezia B, I believe I got that bit of information from
William Manchester's history of the Renaissance (A World Lit Only by
Fire). I realized at the time I was reading it that he was not a
Renaissance scholar, but I assumed better scholarship than that from
him. I will look into it further and apologize to Signorina Borgia if
necessary. (By the way, her having been raped / seduced by her father
and/or brothers does not make her a weakling in my books.)

As a reminder of the relevance of this topic to WS, it has been my
feeling that many people have either not understood or not taken
seriously enough the incest question with regard to Henry VIII-Katherine
and Claudius-Gertrude. If you allow Hamlet the same disgust to the
romance of his mother with her brother-in-law as one with her brother,
his early attitude seems quite logical and very much to be expected.

Cheers,
don

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