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The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.1300  Thursday, 17 June 2004

[1]     From:   Richard Burt <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 11:02:36 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

[2]     From:   R. A. Cantrell <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 10:14:36 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

[3]     From:   James Doyle <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 16:57:28 +0100
        Subj:   Hamlet Postings

[4]     From:   Duncan Salkeld <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 19:14:10 +0100 (BST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

[5]     From:   Claude Caspar <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 15:01:57 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

[6]     From:   Jack Heller <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 15:19:00 -0500 (EST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

[7]     From:   D Bloom <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 17:10:32 -0500
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

[8]     From:   Carol Morley <
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        Date:   Thursday, 17 Jun 2004 10:20:53 +0000
        Subj:   RE: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings


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From:           Richard Burt <
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Date:           Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 11:02:36 -0400
Subject: 15.1288 Hamlet Postings
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

Completely in agreement, Fran.

--Richard

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From:           R. A. Cantrell <
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Date:           Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 10:14:36 -0500
Subject: 15.1288 Hamlet Postings
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

 >Clearly, however, others on this listserv revel in precisely what I
 >dislike.  Is my response idiosyncratic or does anyone else find the
 >various Hamlet discussions troubling?

You are not alone, though I am more annoyed than disgusted. Many of
(us/those) who contemplate Hamlet have a smack 'o the same.

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From:           James Doyle <
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Date:           Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 16:57:28 +0100
Subject:        Hamlet Postings

In response to Fran Teague, I can confirm that I too gave up on the
Murder of Gonzago and Hamlet's Ghost threads quite some time ago.

It seems to me that the problems she finds with some discussions arise
when a thread has been running some time - however useful and
informative the early exchanges, they become too repetitive after a while.

James

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From:           Duncan Salkeld <
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Date:           Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 19:14:10 +0100 (BST)
Subject: 15.1288 Hamlet Postings
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

Quite so Fran Teague.  More matter with less art (2.2.97).

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From:           Claude Caspar <
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Date:           Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 15:01:57 -0400
Subject: 15.1288 Hamlet Postings
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

"In almost every discussion, I find one or more posting that is so
ill-natured or ill-informed, that it disgusts me."

What Oft Was Thought But Ne'er So Well Expressed!

Since our Editor is somewhat overwhelmed, and is loathe to impose his
standards on others, would you take on the specific role of cutting the
ill-natured and/or ill-informed?  They are two different things, of
course, but you seem to have a firm grasp of the two realms, an almost
royal sense of the proper.  Having scanned your www you thoughtfully
provided, it is clear you have the scholastic wherewithal to detect the
ill-informed- and scholars will appreciate your polite manner and be
eager for your emendations- if only you would bring your powers to the
text itself, full of ambiguities, and strike at the root of the problem.
  At last, an arbitrator of Truth & fact that Shakespeare Studies has
surrendered in an ill-advised attempt to follow the meanderings of the
Swan, and not focus on classical values.  In fact, the harm done in
undermining established norms by Shakespeare has fostered the very
ill-nature you have addressed.  We need a more decorous dialogue which
will impact on making Shakespeare more suitable for those who have no
sense of their place, nor understand how to interpret poetry and
thought.  If only I had had you for my teacher how much easier my whole
life would have been, and less complicated.  So many books could have
been ignored, so much of the life of the mind excluded.

I, not to shirk responsibility for cleaning up this disgusting mess,
could be responsible for the more nuanced, but just as dreadful,
passive-aggressive responses often insinuated between the lines, which
often poisons what would otherwise be a meritorious thought, and ruins
many of the plays & poems, themselves.

For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;
Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds.

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From:           Jack Heller <
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Date:           Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 15:19:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 15.1288 Hamlet Postings
Comment:        Re: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

 >Is my response idiosyncratic or does anyone else find the
 >various Hamlet discussions troubling?

While I started "The Murder of Gonzago," I've long since decided that it
has reached an impasse. I'm not just talking about the differences of
opinion reflected in scholarly and critical approaches. I've indicated
once before that some of the responses seem akin to the kabbalistic
postings we used to get on Merchant of Venice, insisting that a proper
reading (ie. the author's own) proved that Shakespeare was a Jew. If
"The Murder of Gonzago" continues, I would sure like to see more
references peer-reviewed scholarship.

Jack Heller

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From:           D Bloom <
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Date:           Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 17:10:32 -0500
Subject: 15.1288 Hamlet Postings
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

Fran Teague remarks (wistfully)

 >"I have given up reading any of the postings that discuss Hamlet because
 >they disappoint me so much.  In almost every discussion, I find one or
 >more posting that is so ill-natured or ill-informed, that it disgusts
 >me. Clearly, however, others on this listserv revel in precisely what I
 >dislike.  Is my response idiosyncratic or does anyone else find the
 >various Hamlet discussions troubling?

Readers of this list need to know that all the remarks on Hamlet are
written by Hardy's evil twin, Titus Andronicus Cook, who suffers from
multiple personality as well as ill-nature and ill-information. We have
all been trying to help Hardy through this very trying period in his
life in hopes that T. A. will go back to the philosophy of Immanuel Kant
in which he holds a doctorate from the University of Wittenberg.

Very sincerely,
don b

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From:           Carol Morley <
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Date:           Thursday, 17 Jun 2004 10:20:53 +0000
Subject: 15.1288 Hamlet Postings
Comment:        RE: SHK 15.1288 Hamlet Postings

Thanks to Fran Teague for speaking out. I've been deleting unread
anything Hamlet-related for quite a while (sorry Hardy), as the posts
seemed to be deteriorating into crapulous rants sometime earlier- can't
imagine how bad things must be now, when a member of this highly
tolerant community feels moved to complain. Midsummer madness, or
mid-life crises?

Best wishes,
Carol

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