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It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.0033  Friday, 7 January 2005

[1]     From:   John D. Cox <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 11:46:01 -0500
        Subj:   RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[2]     From:   Jerry Zurek <
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        Date:   Thursday, 06 Jan 2005 11:46:53 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[3]     From:   D Bloom <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 10:55:29 -0600
        Subj:   RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[4]     From:   Michael B. Luskin <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 12:06:38 EST
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[5]     From:   Mario DiCesare <
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        Date:   Thursday, 06 Jan 2005 13:06:05 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[6]     From:   R. A. Cantrell <
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        Date:   Thursday, 06 Jan 2005 12:22:00 -0600
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[7]     From:   Eric M. Johnson <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 14:06:13 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[8]     From:   Phillip Rogers <
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        Date:   Thursday, 06 Jan 2005 14:28:24 -0500
        Subj:   Changes

[9]     From:   Bill Arnold <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 16:40:01 -0800 (PST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[10]     From:  Edward Brown <
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        Date:   Thursday, 06 Jan 2005 18:46:22 -0600
        Subj:   RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[11]     From:  Derek Hamilton <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 16:51:24 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[12]     From:  John Reed <
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        Date:   Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 21:27:48 -0800
        Subj:   RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[13]     From:  Jim Shaw <
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        Date:   Friday, 7 Jan 2005 09:56:02 -0000
        Subj:   RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

[14]     From:  David Lindley <
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        Date:   Friday, 7 Jan 2005 10:27:14 -0000
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From:           John D. Cox <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 11:46:01 -0500
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

Thanks for asking, Hardy, but as long as you're willing to prepare
digests, I think it's the better option. I'm not familiar with blogging,
but I wouldn't want a format that allowed unvarnished postings.

Best,
John

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From:           Jerry Zurek <
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Date:           Thursday, 06 Jan 2005 11:46:53 -0500
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

In order to get a sense of what blogs look and feel like, I'd suggest
going to the current New York Times book discussion blog of Stephen
Greenblatt's "Will in the World." I believe msussman is the discussion
leader, who serves to redirect the focus when it gets off topic
(discussing authorship).

http://forums.nytimes.com/top/opinion/readersopinions/forums/books/januaryre
adinggroupwillintheworld/index.html?oref=login

You may have to create a free New York Times account.  If the URL
doesn't work, click on Books on the left of the Times homepage and look
on the right side of the book review page to the picture of Greenblatt.

The advantage of the email format for me is that each day, the emails
are "in my face." I have to read or delete them whereas with a blog, you
can choose to go to the site or not.

Hardy's work threading the emails is another advantage. However, I have
never run a blog so perhaps others could comment on the work involved.

-- Thanks, Jerry Zurek

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From:           D Bloom <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 10:55:29 -0600
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

This is one of the areas in which I am quite conservative and very
suspicious of change. I like the way this list works and the way Hardy
runs it. The only thing I worry about is that it depends so much on
Hardy himself. He does, after all, have a life beyond SHAKSPER. Could it
continue if he decided he could no longer devote the time to it?

As to blogging, I am so far out of touch that I cannot remember now what
the word means.

Cheers,
don

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From:           Michael B. Luskin <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 12:06:38 EST
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

Moving to Majordomo would be invisible, unnoticed, to the members of the
list.  I wonder, though, how long ancient BITNET technology is going to
be around and supported.  Does majordomo make any demands on system
software or on protocols that are likely to go away?

I cannot imagine a simpler, more natural, more convenient format than
the one we have now.  We could duplicate it by embedding it in a site,
and using the web, but why bother?  If we did that we would need the
services of a Java programmer.

What purposes are you trying to serve?  Is, perhaps, the responsibility
of running the forum becoming onerous?  A dozen years!  Would you like
to devise a new format, embedded in different technology, to make it
possible to shift some responsibility to others, or to split it?  I
think those might be better reasons to change format and technology.

But I am selfish, I get all the benefit of a beautifully run service.

Michael B. Luskin

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From:           Mario DiCesare <
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Date:           Thursday, 06 Jan 2005 13:06:05 -0500
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

A short answer: NO, there's nothing that really needs to be changed. I
like the format, I like getting the postings as emails, and I greatly
admire your hard work in keeping this going.

Thanks,
Mario

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From:           R. A. Cantrell <
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Date:           Thursday, 06 Jan 2005 12:22:00 -0600
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

 >So I ask the members of SHAKSPER: Is there anything you would like to
 >see changed in the near future in the operation of the list?

I, for one, applaud your works as is, and thank you for it. SHAKSPER is
exemplary, a model to be followed, not altered, not discarded.

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From:           Eric M. Johnson <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 14:06:13 -0500
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

I have two suggestions:

First, whatever the solution is, continue to require registration before
letting a user post to the group. One of the things I like about
SHAKSPER is the generally high quality of the discussions. Letting
anyone post or comment without proving who they are is a recipe for
diluting, or possibly destroying, that virtue.

Second, see if you can retain some kind of "push" capability if you
decide to switch formats. I enjoy getting the messages in my Inbox, as
opposed to opening a browser and going to a Web site. I bet I'm not alone.

Regards,
Eric Johnson

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From:           Phillip Rogers <
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Date:           Thursday, 06 Jan 2005 14:28:24 -0500
Subject:        Changes

As a (very) infrequent contributor to the discussion, perhaps I
shouldn't say anything, but I think the list works well as is.  If
you're satisfied with it, it seems to me you should stay with its
present form.  Thanks for doing it.

Phil

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From:           Bill Arnold <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 16:40:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

Hardy M. Cook writes, "So I ask the members of SHAKSPER: Is there
anything you would like to see changed in the near future in the
operation of the list?"

You can quote me on this: Don't fix it, if it ain't broke!

Bill Arnold
http://www.cwru.edu/affil/edis/scholars/arnold.htm

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From:           Edward Brown <
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Date:           Thursday, 06 Jan 2005 18:46:22 -0600
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

No Hardy.

Happy New Year,
Edward

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From:           Derek Hamilton <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 16:51:24 -0400
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

I am speaking as a lurker and sometime-correspondent of about ten years'
history with SHAKSPER:  as long as you are willing and able to perform
the editing function you do, please keep SHAKSPER as a listserv, and
keep doing what you do.  Blogs are endlessly variable and various, and
are particularly good at springing up in response to a specific
situation, then dying off as the posts become more and more weird.  Only
an editor, light though his touch may be, can preserve the integrity of
the idea of SHAKSPER.

Derek Hamilton

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From:           John Reed <
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Date:           Thursday, 6 Jan 2005 21:27:48 -0800
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

I think I might prefer a format that did not depend on email.  Certain
extant websites apparently use a method identified by the term "powered
by vBulletin", such as this one: http://www.khazaddum.com/forums.  It is
easier to navigate these, and html is allowed.  And it is easier to keep
track of older posts. John Reed

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From:           Jim Shaw <
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Date:           Friday, 7 Jan 2005 09:56:02 -0000
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

For what it's worth, I'm very satisfied with the current functionality -
it's a great resource.

Best,
Jim

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From:           David Lindley <
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Date:           Friday, 7 Jan 2005 10:27:14 -0000
Subject: 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion
Comment:        RE: SHK 16.0024 It's Time for Another Meta-Discussion

No changes needed as far as I am concerned. I don't even know what a
'blog' is - and if it means learning something new in order to carry on
with membership of the list, I'm not sure I want to.....

As for using majordomo, I have no opinion.

David Lindley

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