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Words Ending in eth/th
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.0635  Tuesday, 5 April 2005

[1]     From:   Robin Hamilton <
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        Date:   Friday, 1 Apr 2005 17:24:30 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0622 Words Ending in eth/th (Psalm 46)

[2]     From:   Peter Bridgman <
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        Date:   Friday, 1 Apr 2005 22:22:49 +0100
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0622 Words Ending in eth/th

[3]     From:   Bob Linn <
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        Date:   Friday, 01 Apr 2005 15:23:04 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0622 Words Ending in eth/th


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From:           Robin Hamilton <
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Date:           Friday, 1 Apr 2005 17:24:30 +0100
Subject: 16.0622 Words Ending in eth/th (Psalm 46)
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0622 Words Ending in eth/th (Psalm 46)

David Basch <
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 > I gather this from the
 > finding of his name embedded in Psalms, a finding that is well known and
 > kicking around for many years and even mentioned in one of Rudyard
 > Kipling's short stories.

Not so.

 From the SHAKSPER archives:

(http://www.shaksper.net/archives/2000/0391.html):

 >From:           Jay Johnson <
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 >Date:           Tuesday, 22 Feb 2000 15:48:37 -0700
 >Subject: 11.0379 Fire
 >Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0379 Fire
 >
 >Syd Kasten asks:
 >
 >    "Did Kipling mention the Psalm xlvi thing?"
 >
 >No, there is no mention of the Psalm 46 thing in Kipling's "Proofs of
 >Holy Writ."  In that story, we watch Shakespeare and Jonson work on
 >Isaiah 60:1-3 and 19-20.

For the Kipling text:

         http://www.kipling.org.uk/rg_proofs1.htm

Robin Hamilton

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From:           Peter Bridgman <
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Date:           Friday, 1 Apr 2005 22:22:49 +0100
Subject: 16.0622 Words Ending in eth/th
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0622 Words Ending in eth/th

John Briggs writes ...

 >The answer to that is that Shakespeare did not 'translate' the Psalms.
 >The Psalms were translated into English before he was born.

Long before.  The earliest English translations being the Glossed
Psalter (9th century), the Paris Psalter (c. 900), a complete Old
Testament in Anglo-Norman (early 14th century), and the West Midland
Psalter (1340-50).

Peter Bridgman

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From:           Bob Linn <
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Date:           Friday, 01 Apr 2005 15:23:04 -0500
Subject: 16.0622 Words Ending in eth/th
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0622 Words Ending in eth/th

So, David Basch is in agreement with Bill Arnold.  Is there a figure of
speech, more precise than irony, for this state of affairs?

Bob Linn

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