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Public Insults
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.0738  Tuesday, 19 April 2005

[1]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Friday, 15 Apr 2005 12:28:12 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0722 Public Insults

[2]     From:   Florence Amit <
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        Date:   Saturday, 16 Apr 2005 12:25:52 +0300
        Subj:   The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.0722 Friday, 15 April 2005


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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Friday, 15 Apr 2005 12:28:12 -0400
Subject: 16.0722 Public Insults
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0722 Public Insults

Insults in the House of Commons are not confined to question time.
Manchester's biography of Churchill supplies numerous examples.
Interestingly, some sobriquets are "unparliamentary" and require the
Hon. Member to sit down on demand, but the restriction is only in the
words used, not the substance.  So a master of insults, like Churchill,
could say anything and get away with it, while a less gifted rhetorician
would be squelched because he didn't know enough ways to call someone an
arsehole.

Manchester describes an incident that is so delicious that I will impose
on everyone's patience.  A new Labour member called Churchill one or
more of the forbidden names ("blackguard" for example), but Churchill
let it go.  Lloyd George, however, took the member aside and educated
him on the proper etiquette.  He recommended that the new member go to
Chartwell and apologize in person.  He made the trip but found Churchill
on the privy when he arrived.  Chruchill's butler announced him through
the door, and Churchill responded "I can't see him now, I can take only
one shit at a time."

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From:           Florence Amit <
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Date:           Saturday, 16 Apr 2005 12:25:52 +0300
Subject: Conference: SHK 16.0722 Friday, 15 April 2005
Comment:        The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.0722 Friday, 15 April 2005

I do not like being a spoil sport but the readiness of D. Bloom to
understand Terence Hawkes' wish for "entertaining" word assaults does
not properly reflect the conditions of this forum. Often we are not
dealing with persons of equal standing or not even the "head of equals",
as the British Prime minister may be conceived. We are dealing with
people belonging to the impervious establishment who defer any one from
challenging their position and attitudes. To attempt this is not easy
but an ear is given by Hardy Cook. However it becomes deafened by a side
show of raucous hilarity which just means rejection out of hand.

F. Amit

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