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Martin Green on 'Quondam
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.0811  Wednesday, 27 April 2005

[1]     From:   Norman Hinton <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 26 Apr 2005 13:30:59 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0794 Martin Green on 'Quondam'

[2]     From:   Abigail Quart <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 26 Apr 2005 15:21:24 -0400
        Subj:   RE: SHK 16.0794 Martin Green on 'Quondam'

[3]     From:   William Godshalk <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 26 Apr 2005 19:56:08 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0794 Martin Green on 'Quondam'

[4]     From:   Richard Kennedy <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 26 Apr 2005 17:34:53 -0700
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0761 Martin Green on 'Quondam'


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From:           Norman Hinton <
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Date:           Tuesday, 26 Apr 2005 13:30:59 -0500
Subject: 16.0794 Martin Green on 'Quondam'
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0794 Martin Green on 'Quondam'

 >I thought it was well known that the most likely derivation of the
 >18th-century word "condom" was from the Latin "condominium", in the
 >extended sense of 'protection'.

Every dictionary I have consulted (OED, Webster III, American Heritage,
Random House Unabridged) gives the etymology of 'condom' as "unknown",
and makes no guesses.  The OED mentions a (false) attribution to an 18th
century physician's name.

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From:           Abigail Quart <
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Date:           Tuesday, 26 Apr 2005 15:21:24 -0400
Subject: 16.0794 Martin Green on 'Quondam'
Comment:        RE: SHK 16.0794 Martin Green on 'Quondam'

John Briggs wrote:

I thought it was well known that the most likely derivation of the
18th-century word "condom" was from the Latin "condominium", in the
extended sense of 'protection'.

1. "Likely" doesn't mean it's true.

2.  However, the Latin word's punnability with the "quondam" hooded monk
might well have made the word "condom" more attractive to use, thus
ensuring the choice and survival of the word in our lexicon.

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From:           William Godshalk <
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Date:           Tuesday, 26 Apr 2005 19:56:08 -0400
Subject: 16.0794 Martin Green on 'Quondam'
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0794 Martin Green on 'Quondam'

 >John Briggs writes: "I thought it was well known that the most likely
derivation of the
 >18th-century word 'condom' was from the Latin 'condominium,' in the
 >extended sense of 'protection'."

If this is true (and not a joke), the OED has not picked up on this
likely derivation. I have just checked "condom" and "condominium," and
there is no indication of any link between the two.  But what do I know?

Bill

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From:           Richard Kennedy <
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Date:           Tuesday, 26 Apr 2005 17:34:53 -0700
Subject: 16.0761 Martin Green on 'Quondam'
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0761 Martin Green on 'Quondam'

All this talk about the word is making me dizzy, I mean who gives a good
quondam?  I hope Hardy shuts down the quondam thread, or at least won't
allow anyone to propose that the word means 'condom,' which is
stretching it, because Shakespeare always uses the word like an
adjective, not a noun, like the "quondam carpet-mongers," and I believe
it's a goddam shame, and now I've had my say I'll get off the quondam
subject.  The weather is lovely here, summer is a coming in, sing quondam.

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