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Love's Labours Won
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.0845  Sunday, 1 May 2005

[1]     From:   Gene Tyburn <
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        Date:   Friday, 29 Apr 2005 10:47:02 -0700
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0838 Love's Labours Won

[2]     From:   Melvyn R. Leventhal <
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        Date:   Saturday, 30 Apr 2005 00:26:38 EDT
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0838 Love's Labours Won

[3]     From:   Melvyn R. Leventhal <
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        Date:   Saturday, 30 Apr 2005 01:01:01 EDT
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0838 Love's Labours Won


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From:           Gene Tyburn <
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Date:           Friday, 29 Apr 2005 10:47:02 -0700
Subject: 16.0838 Love's Labours Won
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0838 Love's Labours Won

Dear Mr. Briggs,

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interested in the Antony and Cleopatra opera on line. If so let me know.
It seems few are really interested in Shakespeares in other formats. I
find that very unusual...but just the way it is. It's a beautiful opera
in rhyming couplets and I do believe it's destined for greatness. Check
it out.

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From:           Melvyn R. Leventhal <
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Date:           Saturday, 30 Apr 2005 00:26:38 EDT
Subject: 16.0838 Love's Labours Won
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0838 Love's Labours Won

Mr. Weiss writes:

 >Basch makes an
 >erroneous observation:
 >
 >>In each case, as noted in the play, "Jack has got his Jill."
 >
 >What Berowne says is the
 >opposite:  "Our wooing doth not end like an old play:/ Jack hath not
 >Gill."  (V.ii.874-75 [Riverside])

In fact, both Mr. Weiss and Mr. Basch are right, they are just quoting
from different plays. As Professor Hibbard instructed in his
introduction to the Oxford Love's Labour's Lost, p. 44, it is likely
that Midsummer Night's Dream "grew, to some extent, out of " LLL.  The
connection between the two plays is "particularly strong." [Query: is
MND a sequel to LLL?]

For example, in the earlier play, LLL, Biron says "Jack hath not Jill."
  While in Midsummer Night's Dream, Robin Goodfellow says at the
conclusion of the Third Act, "Jack shall have Jill, Naught shall go ill."

Note that I have redacted Mr. Weiss's ad hominem attack against Mr. Basch.

Melvyn R. Leventhal

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Date:           Saturday, 30 Apr 2005 01:01:01 EDT
Subject: 16.0838 Love's Labours Won
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0838 Love's Labours Won

John Briggs writes:

 >[Baldwin] relied upon the
 >"bookseller's list" being a list of actual titles of actual books, and
 >thus providing *independent* corroboration of the list in 'Palladis
 >Tamia'.

This was conjecture on Mr. Baldwin's part, but I must concede it has the
ring of truth: common sense suggests that the bookseller looked at a
book cover, and wrote down the title that he saw.

However, the Oxford editors in adopting Baldwin's view did not make that
argument, perhaps because it is subjective and speculative. Instead,
they relied heavily on their belief that Much Ado could not have been
known to Meres in September 1598 (The Complete Works, 1988, p. 309, OUP,
Compact Edition).  The same reasoning was adopted by Professor G.R.
Hibbard in his discussion of the bookseller's list and Mr. Baldwin's
book (Oxford LLL, Introduction,pp. 81-83).

Thus Mr. Erne, in arguing that LLL could have been a reference to Much
Ado, confronts head-on the main point made by Mr. Baldwin and the Oxford
Editors.

Melvyn R.Leventhal

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