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Failed Application
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.0958  Friday, 20 May 2005

[Editor's Note: This thread has been all over the place and is now at an
end. Any further exchanges should be conducted privately.]

[1]     From:   Joseph Egert <
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        Date:   Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:11:34 +0000
        Subj:   SHK 16.0935 Failed Application

[2]     From:   Bill Arnold <
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        Date:   Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:18:40 -0700 (PDT)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0947 Failed Application


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From:           Joseph Egert <
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Date:           Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:11:34 +0000
Subject: Failed Application
Comment:        SHK 16.0935 Failed Application

If our accommodating editor will permit, I cannot allow Bill Arnold's
distortions, however inadvertent, to pass uncontested.

I still hold Bill accountable for what he has written in this forum or
anywhere else. The ellipse he alludes to has no bearing on the point at
issue.

On the mistranslation of the Hebrew Ten "Utterances" as "Commandments",
Arnold cites the isolated use of "commandments" in EXODUS 20:6, which
refers to all commandments and not specifically to the Ten. Indeed, what
is striking is the consistent use in Hebrew of "Utterances" and not
"Commandments" when referring to the big Ten in EXODUS c20, c24, c34,
c35 and again in DEUT c4 and c10. These "Utterances" were clearly
mistranslated as "Commandments" in EXODUS 34:28 and DEUT 4:13, 10:4 in
both the GENEVA BIBLE (1560 etc) and the KING JAMES VERSION (1611 etc).

With respect to the immemorial elevation of the "Thou shalt love..."
commandments in Jewish culture, I refer Bill to his local Rabbi. Let him
go head to head with the Pharisees of the day. But this time, tape the
discussion unedited.

Now, back to Shakespeare.

Regards,
Joe Egert

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From:           Bill Arnold <
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Date:           Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:18:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 16.0947 Failed Application
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0947 Failed Application

Cheryl Newton writes, "The KJV translation is rife with mistranslations,
some for lack of scholarship, some in the OT deliberate to 'predict' the
events of the NT."

Indeed?  No, not really.  You can go to any large library and find a
wall of books on *Christology* which cover the thesis you state:
although the thesis is not stated in the pejorative manner I see above.
  In my book on the subject, I make note of some interesting translation
issues.  I accept and acknowledge the two major schools of scholars, the
Biblical scholars with a capital *B* and the biblical scholars with a
lower case *b*.  I assume you understand and know the difference.  They
begin their differences with whether or not they use BC/AD or BCE/CE
designations for time.  As I note, both camps seek the Truth.  However,
each comes with their biases, and I acknowledge that as well, being of
the former camp myself.

But I also say to you as a Biblical scholar myself that true scholars
are aware of such matters as bias, recognize it when they see, and still
seek and publish the truth.  Perhaps, you need to read my book?  Again,
find it: http://anoldbooklook.com Having said that, let me say that this
thread of  failed application now has failed and has turned into
Shakespeare's Biblical References, and that is where I wish to take it
up if you wish to join the discussion under that subject heading here on
SHAKSPER.

Bill Arnold
http://www.cwru.edu/affil/edis/scholars/arnold.htm

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