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Antony and Cleopatra 4.3
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.0970  Monday, 23 May 2005

[1]     From:   Abigail Quart <
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        Date:   Friday, 20 May 2005 17:39:47 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0955 Antony and Cleopatra 4.3

[2]     From:   Frank Whigham <
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        Date:   Friday, 20 May 2005 13:32:07 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0955 Antony and Cleopatra 4.3

[3]     From:   Mary Rosenberg <
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        Date:   Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:35:41 -0700
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.0942 Antony and Cleopatra 4.3


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From:           Abigail Quart <
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Date:           Friday, 20 May 2005 17:39:47 +0000
Subject: 16.0955 Antony and Cleopatra 4.3
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0955 Antony and Cleopatra 4.3

Men! It always pisses me off when symbols of female power are co-opted
for the almighty dick, peter, johnthomas, or, as someone once called the
item of a friend, "Chuck." Diatribe over, the asp is a venomous serpent,
and anything that bites, strikes, or puts something, in this case,
poison, into something else, can probably be claimed as male. Although
why men would want to lay claim to something squirmy, small, and wiggly
is, as always, beyond me. Maybe if I just think of it as "fishbait...."

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From:           Frank Whigham <
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Date:           Friday, 20 May 2005 13:32:07 -0500
Subject: 16.0955 Antony and Cleopatra 4.3
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0955 Antony and Cleopatra 4.3

 >It has been suggested here that "worm" refers to death and to a snake.
 >Might it not also refer, in the case of these two super-passionate,
 >ill-starred lovers, to the penis?
 >
 >L. Swilley

 >Norman Hinton rightly pointed out:
 >
 >>Because one of the meanings of "worm" was "snake" -- here's the first
 >>definition of "worm" from the OED:
 >>
 >>I. 1. A serpent, snake, dragon. Now only arch.
 >
 >But has anyone yet suggested a possible phallic meaning for the "worm"?
 >Joy o the worm indeed.
 >
 >Jack Heller

Probably thus giving rise to Dylan Thomas's lines in "The Force that
through the Green Fuse Drives the Flower":

And I am dumb to tell the lover's tomb
How at my sheet goes the same crooked worm.

Frank Whigham

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From:           Mary Rosenberg <
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Date:           Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:35:41 -0700
Subject: 16.0942 Antony and Cleopatra 4.3
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.0942 Antony and Cleopatra 4.3

Marvin Rosenberg's posthumous "The Masks of Anthony and Cleopatra,"
published by Associated University Presses, should be out before the end
of this year, and includes a discussion of the strange music in 4.3 and
the phallic associations of the "worm" in 5.2.

Mary Rosenberg

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