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Lear's Illegitimate Son?
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1862  Saturday, 12 November 2005

[1] 	From: 	Stuart Manger <
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	Date: 	Thursday, 10 Nov 2005 18:25:10 -0000
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?

[2] 	From: 	Geralyn Horton <
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	Date: 	Thursday, 10 Nov 2005 13:46:17 -0500
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[3] 	From: 	Larry Weiss <
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	Date: 	Thursday, 10 Nov 2005 15:40:56 -0500
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	Date: 	Thursday, 10 Nov 2005 16:24:49 -0500
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	Date: 	Thursday, 10 Nov 2005 16:31:42 -0700
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[6] 	From: 	Holger Schott Syme <
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	Date: 	Friday, 11 Nov 2005 00:43:00 -0500
	Subj: 	RE: SHK 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?

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	Date: 	Friday, 11 Nov 2005 20:37:08 +0000
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From: 		Stuart Manger <
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Date: 		Thursday, 10 Nov 2005 18:25:10 -0000
Subject: 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?

[a] It's a PLAY, not Oprah Winfrey or Jerry Springer, or some lurid 
Hollywood gossip mag, for goodness' sake!

[b] I am totally gobsmacked that anyone can seriously entertain such a 
daft conjecture? There is not a shred, and I mean not a single shred, of 
evidence for it. This feels like literary paparazzi inventing something 
while being bored outside the security gates with no story for their 
editors.

Per-lease!

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From: 		Geralyn Horton <
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Date: 		Thursday, 10 Nov 2005 13:46:17 -0500
Subject: 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?

This makes no sense at all.  Edmund isn't Gloucester's wife's son! 
Could you have meant Edgar?   That's at least possible, but since Edgar 
doesn't dally with Lear's daughters (except in the Tate version, where 
he marries Cordelia) his parentage contributes nothing to your incest 
theory....
On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Hardy M. Cook wrote:

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From: 		Larry Weiss <
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Date: 		Thursday, 10 Nov 2005 15:40:56 -0500
Subject: 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?

Gloucester is quite sure that Edmund's mother was not his wife.  He 
ought to know.

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Date: 		Thursday, 10 Nov 2005 16:24:49 -0500
Subject: 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?

Arnie Perlstein <
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 >A wild thought invaded my head last night. To wit, has it ever been
 >suggested that Edmund might really have been King Lear's illegitimate
 >son (sired on Gloucester's wife in a moment of regal privilege)? And
 >that Gloucester either never knew it, or looked the other way? And that
 >Edmund may not have known it, but felt it somehow?

I cannot see that Gloucester's words (F & Q) admit of any other 
interpretation than that /he/ is the father. Furthermore, the child of 
an adulterous mother is, in common law, deemed to be the legitimate son 
of the husband.

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Date: 		Thursday, 10 Nov 2005 16:31:42 -0700
Subject: 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?

It's possible, as Arnie Perlstein proposes, that Edmund is Lear's 
illegitimate son, but I consider it much more likely that it was Kent 
who was "groping for trout in a forbidden river" (i.e., sleeping with 
Gloucester's late wife) while Gloucester was off sowing his wild oats 
with the late Queen Lear and fathering Goneril. We should also consider 
that Cordelia was probably sired by the King of France during an earlier 
visit (more incest!), while Regan was the result of Cymbeline's affair 
with the Wife of Bath, and Oswald is the Aaron's son by Tamora. This 
hypothesis explains a lot, wouldn't you say?

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From: 		Holger Schott Syme <
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Date: 		Friday, 11 Nov 2005 00:43:00 -0500
Subject: 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?
Comment: 	RE: SHK 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son?

Now, _how_ many children had Lady Macbeth?

With mild exasperation,

Holger Syme

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Date: 		Friday, 11 Nov 2005 20:37:08 +0000
Subject: 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1851 Lear's Illegitimate Son

Arnie Perlstein wonders if Edmund could be Lear's bastard son.

Arnie, check out the online promo for the current Salt City Center 
production of BILL DOES WILL: AN EVENING OF SHAKESPEARE, which reads, in 
part, "Some of the evening's characters include Shakespeare's Villains: 
Richard III, Lear's bastard, Edmund, and Claudius..."
A typo? Probably. Here's the link anyway:

http://www.saltcitycenter.com/Shows/Future/future.htm

Regards,
Joe Egert

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