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The Rude Mechanicals
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1885  Tuesday, 15 November 2005

[1] 	From: 	Scot Zarela <
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	Date: 	Monday, 14 Nov 2005 14:13:53 -0800
	Subj: 	The Rude Mechanicals

[2] 	From: 	Peter Groves <
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	Date: 	Tuesday, 15 Nov 2005 09:21:13 +1100
	Subj: 	RE: SHK 16.1875 The Rude Mechanicals


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From: 		Scot Zarela <
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Date: 		Monday, 14 Nov 2005 14:13:53 -0800
Subject: 	The Rude Mechanicals

Gabriel Egan:  "[T]he audiences [Shakespeare] represented in those plays 
... are not ordinary people but aristocrats ... and they behave badly."

Behaving badly?  What, by talking amongst themselves, and addressing the 
players:  are these things wrong?  Should the nobs and gents have minded 
their manners, and let their servants (after all) carry on 
uninterrupted?  At some later date, perhaps, after it had become 
customary to take entertainment silently, and even reverently; but until 
then, holding one's tongue might have appeared "dumb" in the sense of 
foolish.  One speaks in order to understand what one hears.  (Also to 
preen one's wit-mixed motives being what they are.)

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From: 		Peter Groves <
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Date: 		Tuesday, 15 Nov 2005 09:21:13 +1100
Subject: 16.1875 The Rude Mechanicals
Comment: 	RE: SHK 16.1875 The Rude Mechanicals

Michael Egan 
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  writes "Tarlinskaya's ... 
observations about  Elizabethan poets (presumably she means playwrights) 
who oppose personages by verse and prose, and 'those who speak in 
verse-by the types of "rhythm" they use (such as "heroes" vs. 
"villains")', once again raises questions about the validity of 
stylometric measures based on the assumption that Shakespeare's dramatic 
'style' can be identified and then predicted on the basis of 
word-occurrence or usage."

I'm puzzled: what have "word-occurrence or usage" to do with the 
distinction between verse and prose, except in the trivial sense that 
changing (say)  "This was the noblest Roman of them all" to "This was 
the noblest demise of them all" turns pentameter into something else 
(either prose or anapestic/dactylic tetrameter)?

Peter Groves

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