The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1907  Saturday, 19 November 2005

[1] 	From: 	John Briggs <
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	Date: 	Thursday, 17 Nov 2005 17:30:05 -0000
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1900 Wars of the Roses

[2] 	From: 	John Briggs <
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	Date: 	Thursday, 17 Nov 2005 18:15:58 -0000
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1900 Wars of the Roses


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From: 		John Briggs <
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Date: 		Thursday, 17 Nov 2005 17:30:05 -0000
Subject: 16.1900 Wars of the Roses
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1900 Wars of the Roses

Sir Walter Scott uses the phrase "the civil wars of the roses" on the 
first page of 'Ivanhoe' (1820).  David Hume had used the phrase "the 
wars between the two roses" in his 'History of England' (which is 
presumably where Sir Walter Scott came across it.)

John Briggs

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From: 		John Briggs <
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Date: 		Thursday, 17 Nov 2005 18:15:58 -0000
Subject: 16.1900 Wars of the Roses
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1900 Wars of the Roses

Lee Simpson, Hon Treasurer, The Edinburgh Sir Walter Scott Club wrote:

 >Dear Sirs
 >
 >This information you have on this site is incorrect.
 >
 >http://www.shaksper.net/archives/2003/0309.html
 >
 >Walter Scott made reference to "Wars of the Roses" 9 years earlier in
 >the first Chapter of Ivanhoe.

Sir Walter Scott did indeed use the exact phrase "the wars of the roses" 
in the periodical publication of "Anne of Geierstein", so, unless the 
pedants of Edinburgh have something concrete to contribute to 
scholarship, that must remain the first confirmed sighting.

John Briggs

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