2005

Dark Lady et al

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1678  Saturday, 1 October 2005

From: 		Bill Arnold <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Thursday, 29 Sep 2005 20:03:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 16.1653 Dark Lady et al
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1653 Dark Lady et al

Robert Projansky, "Re the identities of the sonnets' Dark lady and Young 
Man, I have a little experience in such identity research, although it 
was pretty far  a field...So, did the Young Man in her poem ever exist? 
I have no idea, but imagine trying to find out in 2405 who he was."

 From a scholar's point of view, it depends upon how famous the author 
becomes and (a) what's in her poem which identifies the Young Man and 
(b) if there is corollary evidence out there scholars care to dig 
through and dish up the dirt they find.  Having worked in journalism, 
for a few newspapers and tabloids, and having written a book delving 
into your question only about who was The Master behind the poems of 
Emily Dickinson, I can say that trying to establish autobiographical 
links in an author's work is an art and not a science, and it varies 
from case to case just as in law.  In the case of Will Shakespeare, we 
have evidence here on SHAKSPER that the question is open and much in debate.

Bill Arnold
http://www.cwru.edu/affil/edis/scholars/arnold.htm

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Octogenarian Lears on Stage

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1677  Saturday, 1 October 2005

[1] 	From: 	Arthur Lindley <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Date: 	Friday, 30 Sep 2005 10:43:47 +0800
	Subj: 	RE: SHK 16.1655 Octogenarian Lears on Stage

[2] 	From: 	Peter Hyland <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Date: 	Thursday, 29 Sep 2005 22:55:25 -0400
	Subj: 	RE: SHK 16.1655 Octogenarian Lears on Stage

[3] 	From: 	Lawrence Guntner <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Date: 	Friday, 30 Sep 2005 09:10:41 +0200
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1655 Octogenarian Lears on Stage


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From: 		Arthur Lindley <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Friday, 30 Sep 2005 10:43:47 +0800
Subject: 16.1655 Octogenarian Lears on Stage
Comment: 	RE: SHK 16.1655 Octogenarian Lears on Stage

Olivier was 77 when he did the part in 1984.  That may be the closest 
you'll find.

Arthur

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From: 		Peter Hyland <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Thursday, 29 Sep 2005 22:55:25 -0400
Subject: 16.1655 Octogenarian Lears on Stage
Comment: 	RE: SHK 16.1655 Octogenarian Lears on Stage

William Hutt, who is now 85, played Lear a few years ago; probably not 
an octogenarian, but certainly close.

Peter Hyland

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From: 		Lawrence Guntner <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Friday, 30 Sep 2005 09:10:41 +0200
Subject: 16.1655 Octogenarian Lears on Stage
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1655 Octogenarian Lears on Stage

Two Lears by octogenarians on the German stage were Bernhard Minetti in 
a production directed by Klaus Michael Gr


Bohannon

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1675  Saturday, 1 October 2005

From: 		Robin Hamilton <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Friday, 30 Sep 2005 05:52:16 +0100
Subject: 16.1656 Bohannon
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1656 Bohannon

I'm not quite sure what the point Scot Zerela is attempting to make here 
is, but may I direct his (or her) attention to the following item from 
the SHAKSPER archives which gives just *slightly* more detail about 
Dusty Bohannon and her retailing of the narrative of Hamlet to the Tiv:

         http://www.shaksper.net/archives/2002/1963.html

(I hope Hardy will forgive my allusion to a vetoed discussion of the 
colour of Laura Bohannon's hair in Oxford in the fifties.)

Robin Hamilton

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Italian Translations of Shakespeare

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1676  Saturday, 1 October 2005

From: 		Norman Hinton <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Friday, 30 Sep 2005 19:37:13 -0500
Subject: 16.1657 Italian Translations of Shakespeare
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1657 Italian Translations of Shakespeare

Thanks for the definition -- but now I have to ask: what is Marmite ? I 
have seen the term in hundreds of British thriller and detective novels, 
and in many modern British novels, but I have never been able to figure 
out what it is, nor have I seen it in a grocery store (I assume it is 
something to eat),

And is it pronounced 'mar-might' or 'mar-meet'', and which syllable gets 
the stress ?

 >Twiglet: what the English truly prefer to fill the pretzel-spaped 
snack-space.

Looks like a twig, tastes of Marmite (qv)

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Source Query

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1674  Saturday, 1 October 2005

[1] 	From: 	R. A. Cantrell <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Date: 	Thursday, 29 Sep 2005 22:28:08 -0500
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1652 Source Query

[2] 	From: 	Marcus Dahl <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Date: 	Friday, 30 Sep 2005 10:29:23 +0100
	Subj: 	RE: SHK 16.1652 Source Query

[3] 	From: 	Thomas Pendleton <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Date: 	Friday, 30 Sep 2005 13:03:15 -0400
	Subj: 	RE: SHK 16.1652 Source Query

[4] 	From: 	Joanne Gates <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Date: 	Friday, 30 Sep 2005 14:40:23 -0500
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1652 Source Query

[5] 	From: 	Nora Kreimer <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
	Date: 	Friday, 30 Sep 2005 22:26:32 -0300
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1652 Source Query


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From: 		R. A. Cantrell <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Thursday, 29 Sep 2005 22:28:08 -0500
Subject: 16.1652 Source Query
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1652 Source Query

 >Does anything exist, hopefully in some kind of catalogue form, that
 >lists the sources of plays,

Geoffrey Bullough: Sources of Shakespeare: Google?

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From: 		Marcus Dahl <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Friday, 30 Sep 2005 10:29:23 +0100
Subject: 16.1652 Source Query
Comment: 	RE: SHK 16.1652 Source Query

Oddly, the Oxford Works Ed. by Wells and Taylor isn't a bad start. 
Though many of their other 'facts' are wrong, their list of sources for 
plays is a useful thumbing resource and memorial aid I find. Also of 
course the most famous and inclusive is Bullough's 'Narrative and 
Dramatic Sources of Shakespeare'. Several volumes, very useful!

All best,
Marcus

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From: 		Thomas Pendleton <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Friday, 30 Sep 2005 13:03:15 -0400
Subject: 16.1652 Source Query
Comment: 	RE: SHK 16.1652 Source Query

It's in dictionary rather than catalogue form, and unfortunately, I 
haven't found anything on ballads in it, but, on the basis of some 
fairly cursory dipping-in, I would much recommend Stuart Gillespie's 
Shakespeare's Books: A Dictionary of Shakespeare's Sources (Continuum, 
2004). This is part of Continuum's Student Shakespeare Library, which 
also includes volumes on WS's Legal Language, Military Language, and 
Theatre.  Gillespie provides both thorough discussions and extensive 
bibliographies.

Tom Pendleton

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From: 		Joanne Gates <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Friday, 30 Sep 2005 14:40:23 -0500
Subject: 16.1652 Source Query
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1652 Source Query

About a list of sources:

This page from Tufts seems to be the best place for a composite list. 
Not much done with it in recent years, apparently. When I first 
discovered it, I had been expecting more:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/sources.html

Perhaps it is only a compilation from Geoffrey Bullough's 8 volumes.

My grad students did some work on Sources and for that class I 
rearranged a list of clickable sources; the first 15 we used so they are 
itemized. (The rest of the list is subdivided into other areas and not 
as pertinent to the poster's question.

http://www.jsu.edu/depart/english/gates/shtragln.htm#SrcShkes

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From: 		Nora Kreimer <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Friday, 30 Sep 2005 22:26:32 -0300
Subject: 16.1652 Source Query
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1652 Source Query

Shakespeare's Sources, 1957.  Kenneth Muir. London, Methuen, 1957

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