The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1517 Wednesday, 14 September 2005
[Editor's Note: I just don't see where else this thread can go other
than an endless cycle of "I believe such and such" versus "I don't
believe what you believe." I may be wrong, so I ask if members have any
more to say they do so now. Afterwards, I am going to shut this one down.]
[1] From: David Basch <
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Date: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2005 17:58:31 -0400
Subj: Re: SHK 16.1508 More Shakespeare Code ...
[2] From: V. K. Inman <
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Date: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2005 19:48:49 -0400
Subj: Re: SHK 16.1508 More Shakespeare Code ...
[3] From: Larry Weiss <
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Date: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2005 22:24:54 -0400
Subj: Re: SHK 16.1508 More Shakespeare Code ...
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From: David Basch <
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Date: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2005 17:58:31 -0400
Subject: 16.1508 More Shakespeare Code ...
Comment: Re: SHK 16.1508 More Shakespeare Code ...
David Evett wrote cryptoskeptologically:
>... until I see more persuasive evidence than that provided
>by even Lucas Erne that Shakespeare wrote texts for
>publication, and supervised publication carefully enough
>to insure that codes depending on the placement of
>particular letters in particular spots on the page were
>correctly printed, I cannot buy the proposition that the
>kinds of concealed messages that initiated this thread
>are present in the plays.
David Evett takes a skeptical view of the possibility of codes in
Shakespeare's work, wanting to see evidence that the poet did take care
to arrange the letters, words, and layouts in his sonnets to bring forth
hidden messages. If David Evett is a man of his word, wanting to see
evidence, he has only to check out Sonnet 148 in which, as I have shown,
the poet places his full name as embedded in the configuration of this
text. Here it is again as shown on this list earlier:
[10] eare
[11] ake i
[12] selfe h eere
[13] l s p
[14] w s
[10] That is so vext with watching and with teares?
[11] No maruaile then though I mistake my view,
[12] The sunne it selfe sees not,till heauen cleeres.
[13] O cunning loue,with teares thou keepst me blinde,
[14] Least eyes well seeing thy foule faults should finde.
There is also an acrostic in this sonnet of the poet's name as I-W-I-L
and much more. The same sonnet contains W-I-L-L written in equal letter
skips twice (-142, 146). And if David Evett doubts that the equal letter
skip code was known, I would again point out that the full name of Henry
Wriothesley is written out in equal letter skip codes in the dedication
to the Sonnets. (Wriothesley appears in the clusters WR IOTH and ESLEY
at equal letter skips of 18, though IOTH runs in reverse as -18. HENRY
runs at a skip of 15.)
Surely these facts indicate that there is more than meets the eye in The
Sonnets and that the poet took very great care to create and arrange
these hidden messages, just the tip of the iceberg. He ought to check
the archives of the SHAKSPER list for some of the other hidden material
reported.
David Basch
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From: V. K. Inman <
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Date: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2005 19:48:49 -0400
Subject: 16.1508 More Shakespeare Code ...
Comment: Re: SHK 16.1508 More Shakespeare Code ...
Quoting Joseph Egert
>Shakespeare's many audiences included political and religious sects of
>all stripes,
No. Proto-Presbyterians, Puritans and Baptists did not attend the
theatre, and if they slipped in they would never admit it to a fellow
'fundamentalist.'
V. K. Inman
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From: Larry Weiss <
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Date: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2005 22:24:54 -0400
Subject: 16.1508 More Shakespeare Code ...
Comment: Re: SHK 16.1508 More Shakespeare Code ...
>Nerissa, in Hebrew, sounded as Nir'as'soh,' means "it was seen,"
>a word in the Bible mentioned in connection with the rainbow
>(a rainbow was seen in a cloud), and this seems to be
>Shakespeare's way of calling her attention to her role in the play.
The groundlings would have caught on immediately, as would the hundreds
of Catholic priests in the audience who studied Hebrew at the seminary.
And then there were all the Jews who came for the Saturday show.
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