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Shylock as Suffering Servant
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1204  Friday, 15 July 2005

[1]     From:   Michael Egan <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 12 Jul 2005 06:59:13 -1000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1199 Shylock as Suffering Servant

[2]     From:   Ruth Ross <
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        Date:   Tuesday, 12 Jul 2005 16:04:10 -0400
        Subj:   Shylock...again

[3]     From:   S. L Kasten <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 13 Jul 2005 17:17:57 +0200
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1194 Shylock as Suffering Servant

[4]     From:   S. L Kasten <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 13 Jul 2005 17:19:54 +0200
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1199 Shylock as Suffering Servant

[5]     From:   Joseph Egert <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 13 Jul 2005 19:20:56 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1199 Shylock as Suffering Servant

[6]     From:   Florence Amit <
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        Date:   Thursday, 14 Jul 2005 09:19:23 +0300
        Subj:   16.1194 Shylock as Suffering Servant

[7]     From:   Joseph Egert <
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        Date:   Friday, 15 Jul 2005 15:12:31 +0000
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1194 (3): Shylock as Suffering Servant


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From:           Michael Egan <
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Date:           Tuesday, 12 Jul 2005 06:59:13 -1000
Subject: 16.1199 Shylock as Suffering Servant
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1199 Shylock as Suffering Servant

This long discussion of MoV has strikingly omitted any consideration of
the play's central puzzle, the apparent afterthought of Act V. But it is
resolved if we understand that while the Shylock story may be the play's
dramatic center, Shakespeare is more concerned to make the theological
point that both Old Testament vengefulness (an eye for an eye) and New
Testament mercy (Portia's big speech) are insufficient. What is required
is forgiveness.

--Michael

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From:           Ruth Ross <
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Date:           Tuesday, 12 Jul 2005 16:04:10 -0400
Subject:        Shylock...again

David Basch writes:

The MoV was written for a future audience that would be free of such
things as anti-Semitism. At that time, the esoteric story within a story
emerges, a story so challenging to some commentators that they won't
even hear of it, let alone read it. This is the play that the great
Shakespeare wrote that exposes hypocrisy, not the play he is thought to
have written.

I always thought Shakespeare was a business man. Would he be banking on
future audiences to help pay the actors in his company? Perhaps as an
artist, he had a hidden agenda, but I still contend that he had to write
to please his audiences and pay the bills.

Besides, I thought this discussion died ages ago.

Ruth Ross

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From:           S. L Kasten <
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Date:           Wednesday, 13 Jul 2005 17:17:57 +0200
Subject: 16.1194 Shylock as Suffering Servant
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1194 Shylock as Suffering Servant

Joseph Egert wrote

 >"...On the side of Paul are the faith-freed
 >Gentiles, their eyes fixed on the Heavenly Jerusalem, the eternal City
 >of Spirit on the Hill (Belmont?). On the side of James are the
 >flesh-enslaved law-bound Jewish Christians of Earthly Jerusalem
 >(Venice?), their devotion to the ancient Sinai Covenant unshaken...."

Someone out there may know if the Crusaders copyrighted their castle
names.  A few kilometers and a couple of ridges west of Jerusalem atop a
high point on the grounds of Kibbutz Tzova sit the remains of crusader
"Belmont".  The tour guide gave us to understand that the region had a
connection with John the Baptiser.  I regret that I don't remember
whether this arose out of recent archaeological findings or was an
ancient tradition.

Best wishes,
Syd Kasten

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From:           S. L Kasten <
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Date:           Wednesday, 13 Jul 2005 17:19:54 +0200
Subject: 16.1199 Shylock as Suffering Servant
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1199 Shylock as Suffering Servant

Florence Amit  suggests:

"Of all the possibilities for a Hebrew reading of Shylock's name the
word for messenger "Shaliach" would probably be the one most customary -
although I have never heard it used as a given name before."

How  about "Shiloh?"

The Talmud gives Shiloh as one of the names of the Messiah on the basis
of a literal reading of Genesis XLIX v. 10 in Jacob's blessing to Judah:

"The sceptre will not depart from Judah......until Shiloh come; and unto
Him shall the obedience of the people be".

Best wishes,
Syd Kasten

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From:           Joseph Egert <
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Date:           Wednesday, 13 Jul 2005 19:20:56 +0000
Subject: 16.1199 Shylock as Suffering Servant
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1199 Shylock as Suffering Servant

Fellow resolutes!

Why did Shakespeare christen Leah's husband "Shylocke"? Florence Amit
has already voted. Bill A. and David B., as respective Sons of Paul and
Jacob, what say ye?

Your humble provocateur,
Joe Egert

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From:           Florence Amit <
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Date:           Thursday, 14 Jul 2005 09:19:23 +0300
Subject:        16.1194 Shylock as Suffering Servant

David Basch sees no humor in the quotation that he cites by Gratiano.
"Now, by my hood, a Gentile and no Jew." Gratiano's "hood" before his
Marrano arrival in an Inquisition free land is probably a very small
matter that had made him a Gentile and no Jew.

Jessica leaves her father's home with his knowledge and help. His last
words to her are that she close doors "after you". If readers would read
reliable historians like Brian Pullan they would learn that even crypto
Jews depended upon Jewish family members during their wanderings rather
than local officials. The inclusion of Salerio and Solanio in the so
called elopement was pure deception. By the way how far would any of the
group get in a gondola? It was to be exchanged.

When Jessica says, "Our house is Hell" her Hebrew is that it is "ha El"
- of God. _ and when she queries "What heinous sin is it in me/ To be
ashamed to be my father's child" she refers to the sin of the
crucifixion that Jews inherited until Vatican II .

Likewise Portia was faithful to her father's design that she would find
a Hebrew speaking candidate for her hand - supposedly of Jewish lineage.

My intention is to send the forum an essay that I had long ago prepared
for it, in which many misconceptions are dealt with. I guess that it
will stay put for two weeks.

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From:           Joseph Egert <
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Date:           Friday, 15 Jul 2005 15:12:31 +0000
Subject: 16.1194 (3): Shylock as Suffering Servant
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1194 (3): Shylock as Suffering Servant

I must chastise our dedicated moderator for creatively editing the text
of SHK 16.1194(3) by converting "Cor" to "Core" and "legerdemind" to
"legerdemain". I have it on the highest Author-ity from a pre-humous
fair copy that the writer originally intended "Cor" and "legerdemind". I
humbly ask our zealous editor to restore, if possible, the archived post
to its pristine form for panting posterity. Hence forth, let no word of
higher case be touched. Be forewarned: any further Demendations will be
promptly reported to NOTES & QUERIES.

Hardy, please don't feel constrained to reply until "fully
recovered"--the coded meaning of

"Refuah Shlemah,"
Joe Egert

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