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The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1146  Friday, 24 June 2005

[1]     From:   Bill Arnold <
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        Date:   Thursday, 23 Jun 2005 07:59:37 -0700 (PDT)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1134 Designations [*Christology*]

[2]     From:   Jack Kamen <
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        Date:   Thursday, 23 Jun 2005 13:26:13 -0500
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1134 Designations

[3]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Thursday, 23 Jun 2005 15:30:51 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1134 Designations


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From:           Bill Arnold <
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Date:           Thursday, 23 Jun 2005 07:59:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 16.1134 Designations [*Christology*]
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1134 Designations [*Christology*]

SHAKSPEReans,

I cannot apologize that I grew up being able to quote the KJV.  I have
written a well-documented book on my understanding of *Christology* and
tracing it back from the KJV to the documents used by the earliest
compilers of the Old Testament and the New Testament.  My book speaks
for itself.  I will not repeat what I wrote therein.  I open my personal
Bible which, by the way, states on the title page, all in capital
letters this following description of its contents:

*THE HOLY BIBLE: CONTAINING THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS IN THE KING JAMES
VERSION RED LETTER EDITION AND CONCORDANCE"
Allan Publishers, Inc., USA, 1975.

I note: to *Christologers* and Christian alike it is The Holy Bible;
just as the Old Testament might be The Holy Bible to others.  There is
nothing new in this knowledge, nor is there any debate about Scripture
with a capital *S* being sacred texts to specific groups.  Hardy started
this thread, not me.  I am only a respondent.

The KJV of the Shakespearean Age is an historical document which cannot
be P.C.'d.  Christology recognizes the categories as Old and New
Testaments of The Holy Bible.  This same "Politically Correct" thesis
wishes all to use B.C.E. for B.C. and C.E. for A.D.  So noted.  But let
the record show that there is disagreement on these matters and it is my
opinion that world opinion is not going to legislate these matters on
the basis of what appears politically correct to a segment of the world
population, no matter how much they claim the high moral ground.

Bill Arnold
http://www.cwru.edu/affil/edis/scholars/arnold.htm

[Editor's Note: My preference is also for BCE and CE.]

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From:           Jack Kamen <
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Date:           Thursday, 23 Jun 2005 13:26:13 -0500
Subject: 16.1134 Designations
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1134 Designations

Matthew Baynham wrote

".................... you also have to realize that the term "Old
Testament" is inherently insulting to Jews."

This is certainly news to me.

I have attended many Talmudic classes with Jewish Orthodox participants.
No one, as far as I know, considered the term "Old Testament" to be
insulting or to have a pejorative connotation. It was freely and
unselfconsciously used when the need arose, such as when comparative
religions were discussed.

I also see nothing 'silly' in the statement "... first reverenced by the
Jew Jesus of Nazareth himself and then by his first Jewish followers in
respect of him....". This is simply a widely believed historical fact.

Jack M Kamen

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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Thursday, 23 Jun 2005 15:30:51 -0400
Subject: 16.1134 Designations
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1134 Designations

 >the term "Old Testament" is inherently insulting to Jews.

I wonder if there is any published authority for this notion or if it
reflects only the personal sensitivity of the writer.  I have known a
great many Jews, all of whom use the terms Old Testament and New
Testament as completely neutral titles carrying no extra freight.

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