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Help with the Sonnets
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.11638  Thursday, 30 June 2005

[1]     From:   Markus Marti <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 15:35:21 +0200
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1155 Help with the Sonnets

[2]     From:   Jack Heller <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 08:41:00 -0500 (EST)
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1159 Help with the Sonnets

[3]     From:   Marvin Krims <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 10:20:15 -0400
        Subj:   RE: SHK 16.1159 Help with the Sonnets

[4]     From:   Larry Weiss <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 11:51:17 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 16.1159 Help with the Sonnets

[5]     From:   M. Rick Smith <
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        Date:   Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 12:55:56 -0400
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From:           Markus Marti <
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Date:           Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 15:35:21 +0200
Subject: 16.1155 Help with the Sonnets
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1155 Help with the Sonnets

Almost everywhere; but look especially at: 109-119, 152, and
(ironically): 116

Markus Marti

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Date:           Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 08:41:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 16.1159 Help with the Sonnets
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1159 Help with the Sonnets

While Sonnet 138 emphasizes the lady's unfaithfulness, the speaker also
confesses untruthfulness.

Heller

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From:           Marvin Krims <
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Date:           Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 10:20:15 -0400
Subject: 16.1159 Help with the Sonnets
Comment:        RE: SHK 16.1159 Help with the Sonnets

Thanks, Peter and others but I finally stumbled on it in #109.

Marvin

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From:           Larry Weiss <
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Date:           Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 11:51:17 -0400
Subject: 16.1159 Help with the Sonnets
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1159 Help with the Sonnets

 >Certainly infidelity to Anne Shakespeare
 >is implied by Sonnet 129 ("Th'expense of spirit in a waste of shame").

Certainly?  I have never considered or read that anyone else considered
this sonnet as having such a specific referent.  Rather, isn't it an
extended treatment of the phenomenon Horace noted more pithily in his
famous epigram:  Omne animal post coitum triste est, praeter galumque et
mulierem.  Since WS did not write the sonnets from the standpoint of
women or roosters, only the first part is illustrated in the poem.

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From:           M. Rick Smith <
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Date:           Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 12:55:56 -0400
Subject: 16.1155 Help with the Sonnets
Comment:        Re: SHK 16.1155 Help with the Sonnets

Isn't it possible that Sonnet 98 alludes to alternative dalliances
figured by its inadequate spring flowers?

M. Rick Smith, Associate Professor of English, Kent State University
Trumbull

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