The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 17.0163 Monday, 13 March 2006
[1] From: Paul Hebron <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Friday, 10 Mar 2006 11:00:51 -0600
Subj: no country for old men.....
[2] From: Joseph Egert <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Sunday, 12 Mar 2006 19:12:16 +0000
Subj: RE: SHK 17.0093 no country for old men?
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From: Paul Hebron <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Friday, 10 Mar 2006 11:00:51 -0600
Subject: no country for old men......
Is it just possible that we're being a little hard on Jacques, in
relegating his comments on the ages of man to "sophomoric" quibbling?
To paraphrase (badly I fear) Stella Adler, "...an actor lives and dies
by his choices". Imagine, if you will, that the actor playing Jacques
chooses to play the speech not just as the comic aria it can be, but
rather as an unexpected revelation of Self. Not as an insipid young man
carrying only the trappings of insight, but as a world weary traveler
(as he describes himself to Rosalind). What if he has always used his
astonishing control of language and native wit to keep the world, and
its pain, at bay, to keep the "conversation" on his own terms if you
will. What would it be like if in this one speech, that very skill
turns against him, and almost against his will it reveals the truth
about his own aging, and the future, as he fears it will be. Would that
not be an extraordinarily human response to finding a richer value in
the text, to making the stronger acting choice?
If that is the case then I would agree wholeheartedly with David Richman
and the juxtaposition of this moment with the arrival of Old Adam and
Orlando. But rather than an Adam seen against the backdrop of a Jacques
who is merely shallow, defensive, and ill-informed, you would witness
the old man's courage, loyalty and commitment in counterpoint to a
Jacques fearful of his own mortality, and the likely ravages of an
undiscovered future. And would that not say something considerably more
interesting about the nature of aging, and old men, to an Elizabethan
audience, as well as to our own??
With respect,
Paul Hebron
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From: Joseph Egert <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Sunday, 12 Mar 2006 19:12:16 +0000
Subject: 17.0093 no country for old men?
Comment: RE: SHK 17.0093 no country for old men?
Frank Whigham writes:
>I'm interested in thinking a bit further about impotent and bedrid
>old men, if only because of the signal importance of old men in
>Elizabethan culture generally.
Keith Thomas has a nice piece in PROC. BR. ACAD. v.67, pp.205-237
(1976), titled AGE AND AUTHORITY IN EARLY MODERN ENGLAND. In it he cites
ECCLESIASTICUS as conventional wisdom of the period: "As long as thou
livest and has breath in thee, give not thyself over to any. For better
it is that thy children should seek to thee, than thou shouldest stand
to their courtesy." He goes on to quote 17th C. witnesses to second
childhood's fallen value relative to first:
"Mothers and nurses have pleasure in infants, but old people are
burdensome to all; neither talk nor company is acceptable"
"Less care is commonly taken of aged persons and less kindness showed
them than to children."
"They that can brook the peevishness and the uncleanliness of their
children cannot bear it in their parents."
WS: "Age is unnecessary."[?]
Hoary Joe Egert
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