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Chettle, Greene, Shake-scene
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 17.0204  Thursday, 23 March 2006

[1] 	From: 	Julia Griffin <
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	Date: 	Wednesday, 22 Mar 2006 13:25:21 -0500
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 17.0199 Chettle, Greene, Shake-scene

[2] 	From: 	Bob Grumman <
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	Date: 	Wednesday, 22 Mar 2006 16:51:12 -0500
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 17.0199 Chettle, Greene, Shake-scene

[3] 	From: 	Donald Bloom <
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	Date: 	Thursday, 23 Mar 2006 09:54:09 -0600
	Subj: 	RE: SHK 17.0199 Chettle, Greene, Shake-scene


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From: 		Julia Griffin <
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Date: 		Wednesday, 22 Mar 2006 13:25:21 -0500
Subject: 17.0199 Chettle, Greene, Shake-scene
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0199 Chettle, Greene, Shake-scene

On the issue of Greene and GGW: does Professor Downs have an opinion 
about the image of Greene himself in this work?  I'm interested in the 
representation it gives of his misery and degradation, which some 
critics (e.g., Lorna Hutson) have dismissed as a literary trope.  The 
same wretched picture emerges from the flurry of Greene pamphlets that 
appeared after his death, and from Gabriel Harvey's cruel Four Letters, 
but it seems to be denied, or partially denied, by Nashe in Strange News.

Does anyone have a view on this?

Julia Griffin

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From: 		Bob Grumman <
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Date: 		Wednesday, 22 Mar 2006 16:51:12 -0500
Subject: 17.0199 Chettle, Greene, Shake-scene
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0199 Chettle, Greene, Shake-scene

Marcus Dahl writes,

 >Thank you Gerald for a terrific shake-down of the Shake-scene
 >arguments on the Greene / Chettle debate.
 >
 >As I'm sure everyone will be aware, if Chettle is the [main]author
 >of GGW and the supposed attack on Shakespeare is actually aimed
 >at Marlowe/ Nashe/ Peele, then it also seems to effect the issue (to
 >which it is always attached) of the authorship of 1HVI.
 >
 >I wonder if you have a view on this?

He does, but I doubt he'd be able to present it without turning this 
thread into an authorship debate, and causing Hardy to shut it down.  So 
I hope he'll wait to answer your question until I've had a chance to 
respond to his post--which, not surprisingly, ignores my much better 
arguments for Chettle's considering the second playwright to have been 
Shakespeare than the ones he considered.  Not that he doesn't advance 
some arguments I hadn't considered.

--Bob G.

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From: 		Donald Bloom <
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Date: 		Thursday, 23 Mar 2006 09:54:09 -0600
Subject: 17.0199 Chettle, Greene, Shake-scene
Comment: 	RE: SHK 17.0199 Chettle, Greene, Shake-scene

Marcus Dahl writes, "As I'm sure everyone will be aware, if Chettle is 
the [main]author of GGW and the supposed attack on Shakespeare is 
actually aimed at Marlowe/ Nashe/ Peele, then it also seems to effect 
the issue (to which it is always attached) of the authorship of 1HVI."

I find myself puzzled. Is he saying that "Shake-scene" does not refer to 
Shake-speare? Or, the puppet, the upstart crow, and the ape?

Why on earth would he (Chettle / Deutero-Greene or whoever) use such 
terms to describe Marlowe, Nashe or Peele?

Cheers,
don

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