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The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 17.0319  Tuesday, 18 April 2006

[1] 	From: 	V.K. Inman <
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	Date: 	Monday, 17 Apr 2006 12:56:49 -0400
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 17.0315 WordHoard

[2] 	From: 	Carol Barton <
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	Date: 	Monday, 17 Apr 2006 20:10:43 -0400
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 17.0315 WordHoard

[3] 	From: 	John W. Kennedy <
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	Date: 	Monday, 17 Apr 2006 21:04:40 -0400
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 17.0315 WordHoard


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From: 		V.K. Inman <
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Date: 		Monday, 17 Apr 2006 12:56:49 -0400
Subject: 17.0315 WordHoard
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0315 WordHoard

 >As one who complained at some length in the medieval Lists about Word
 >Hoard's conflating Chaucer's language with Shakespeare's -- I wonder
 >what users of this List think about that?  Do Chaucer's and
 >Shakespeare's language seem alike to you?

Not at all.

V.K. Inman

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From: 		Carol Barton <
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Date: 		Monday, 17 Apr 2006 20:10:43 -0400
Subject: 17.0315 WordHoard
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0315 WordHoard

Hell, no-ywis. Fyve housebonds y have hadde at kirke doore (from memory, 
so forgive me if I've mangled it)--I don't think Shakespeare meant the 
same thing, when he called something "queynte."

Best to all,
Carol Barton

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From: 		John W. Kennedy <
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Date: 		Monday, 17 Apr 2006 21:04:40 -0400
Subject: 17.0315 WordHoard
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0315 WordHoard

Norman Hinton <
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 >As one who complained at some length in the medieval Lists
 >about Word Hoard's conflating Chaucer's language with Shakespeare's
 > -- I wonder what users of this List think about that?  Do Chaucer's
 >and Shakespeare's language seem alike to you?

Speaking as a non-professional, almost a non-scholar, I can honestly say 
that more or less mastering EMnE has made ME fairly readable to me 
(though I still need the occasional footnote). And Shakespeare, himself 
(unless it is his collaborators), seems to regard Chaucer and Gower as 
normal parts of his English literary background, while we all know that 
there was no such thing as "ME studies" in his day.

OE, ME, EMnE and MnE are, after all, only arbitrary labels on a 
continuum. (Yes, even OE to ME; the Gawayn poet was Chaucer's contemporary.)

I am aware of Word Hoard, but unfamiliar with it, so I do not know 
precisely what you mean by "conflating". If there is no chronological 
information in it at all, that seems to me to be a gross error in 
design. (I am even more certain of that as a computing professional than 
as an academic amateur.) But if the chronological information is there, 
I can see nothing wrong with it. Anyone who has read "Studies in Words" 
knows that the transition from Chaucer to Shakespeare is nothing to the 
semantic shifts that can overtake individual words within a single 
lifetime. (I suspect that I'm the only person left alive who still has a 
nails-on-the-chalkboard reaction to "deprecate" for "depreciate", but 
Lewis thought the situation yet salvageable when I was a teenager.)

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