2006

RSC Appeal to Educators

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 17.0863  Friday, 29 September 2006

From: 		Paul E. Doniger <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Thursday, 28 Sep 2006 15:19:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 17.0857 RSC Appeal to Educators
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0857 RSC Appeal to Educators

Joseph Egert writes:

>"Paul Doniger writes:
>
>The trouble with many debates is that they lock into this sort of
>"either/or" fallacy (Deborah Tannen wrote a wonderful book on
>this issue: _The Argument Culture_). There should at least be a
>third choice. Cloten comes to mind. So does Malvolio.
>
>Sadly, Mr Doniger's "alternatives" do not resolve the "either/or"
>fallacy. Dim bulbs all."

To clarify my point, my 'alternatives' were not meant as alternatives, but 
additions -- to open up the debate instead of limiting it. Feel free to 
add others. I gather, also, that my attempt at some humor was taken far 
too seriously.

Paul E. Doniger
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Once More

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 17.0862  Friday, 29 September 2006

[1] 	From: 	Jim Carroll <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
 	Date: 	Thursday, 28 Sep 2006 12:09:26 -0400
 	Subj: 	Re: SHK 17.0853 Once More

[2] 	From: 	David Kathman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
 	Date: 	Thursday, 28 Sep 2006 11:44:34 -0500
 	Subj: 	Re: SHK 17.0853 Once More


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From: 		Jim Carroll <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Thursday, 28 Sep 2006 12:09:26 -0400
Subject: 17.0853 Once More
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0853 Once More

<>"I have now proven...."

Sorry your highness, I don't believe you.  I wish English department types 
would limit the use of the word "proof" to those things which can be 
deduced from incontrovertible axioms. And isn't this the same cast of 
characters that gave a Ph.D.  to someone in Oxfordian studies?

Jim Carroll

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From: 		David Kathman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Thursday, 28 Sep 2006 11:44:34 -0500
Subject: 17.0853 Once More
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0853 Once More

Al Magary wrote:

>Computerized Analysis Helps Researchers Define Shakespeare's Work Using 
'Literary >Fingerprint'
>PhysOrg.com (from University of Massachusetts-Amherst), September 27, 
2006
>http://www.physorg.com/news78593028.html
>
>A team of researchers that includes scholars from the University of 
Massachusetts
>Amherst is using computerized analysis of the writing of William 
Shakespeare to
>dispel lingering doubts about his authorship of many works and to trace 
the outlines
>of his total body of compositions.

[snip]

I was one of a couple dozen or so people who attended a presentation by 
Arthur Kinney, Hugh Craig, and their team this past July at the World 
Shakespeare Congress in Brisbane, Australia.  From what I heard there, it 
sounds like they're doing some very interesting and potentially valuable 
work, but this press release makes me extremely leery with its talk of 
having "proved" Shakespeare's authorship or non-authorship of various 
works.  The audience at the presentation had some sharp questions for some 
of the participants, which is as it should be.  I'm probably more open to 
computer-assisted authorship studies than many people in the field, but I 
recognize that such studies are only one kind of evidence, and must be 
considered alongside other, more traditional types of evidence. 
Ultimately, such questions of attribution are decided by the broader 
community of Shakespeareans, and the type of excessively confident 
rhetoric used in this press release is likely to turn off many people who 
are already inclined to look skeptically on any kind of computer-aided 
literary study.

Dave Kathman
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Movie Stills

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 17.0859  Thursday, 28 September 2006

From: 		David Evett <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Tuesday, 26 Sep 2006 19:49:01 -0400
Subject: 17.0847 Movie Stills
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0847 Movie Stills

[Editor's Note: Dave Evett writes, "Hardy, you might want to allow this 
one more post, since it only directs attention to a couple of more than 
usually authoritative - and very much up-to-date - approaches to the 
issue." Okay, but this is the last post on this Subject. Members can 
always submit messages concerning aspects of previous discussions under 
a new Subject line for my consideration. -Hardy]

The N.B. column in the current TLS (22 Sept 06) is completely relevant 
to the topic of fair use and permissions; it instances Gordon Bowker's 
mistaken belief that his life of Lawrence Durrell could not include 
quotations from the work without permission from Durrell's notoriously 
defensive widow, and goes on to call attention to a report just issued 
by the British Academy recommending a fresh statutory approach to the 
problem: http://www.britac.ac.uk/reports/copyright/execsum.htm.

In the same issue there is a review of a new book by Susan Bielstein, 
*Permissions: a Survival Guide," which mainly concerns the visual arts 
but clearly includes much other material.

David Evett

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Actors Connected with Shakespeare

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 17.0860  Friday, 29 September 2006

From: 		R. A. Cantrell <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Thursday, 28 Sep 2006 09:38:35 -0500
Subject: 17.0851 Actors Connected with Shakespeare
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0851 Actors Connected with Shakespeare

>May I ask what the best sources are, in books and on-line, for
>authoritative information about actors connected with Shakespeare for
>whom he might have written specific parts?  Boy-actors as well as men,
>comic as well as tragic.

Chambers, E. K., "The Elizabethan Stage" Four Volumes, Oxford: Clarendon 
Press, 1923.

Gurr, Andrew, The Elizabethan Stage: 1574-1642, Cambridge:

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RSC Appeal to Educators

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 17.0857  Thursday, 28 September 2006

From: 		Joseph Egert <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Tuesday, 26 Sep 2006 20:31:51 +0000
Subject: 17.0848 RSC Appeal to Educators
Comment: 	RE: SHK 17.0848 RSC Appeal to Educators

Paul Doniger writes:

 >The trouble with many debates is that they lock into this sort of
 >"either/or" fallacy (Deborah Tannen wrote a wonderful book on this
 >issue: _The Argument Culture_). There should at least be a third
 >choice. Cloten comes to mind. So does Malvolio.

Sadly, Mr Doniger's "alternatives" do not resolve the "either/or" 
fallacy. Dim bulbs all.

Joe Egert

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