The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 17.0819 Wednesday, 20 September 2006
[1] From: Hannibal Hamlin <
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Date: Tuesday, 19 Sep 2006 14:23:18 -0400
Subj: Re: SHK 17.0808 RSC Appeal to Educators
[2] From: Tanya Gough <
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Date: Tuesday, 19 Sep 2006 15:16:15 -0400
Subj: Re: SHK 17.0810 Teaching Shakespeare to ESL Students
[3] From: Alex Carney <
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Date: Tuesday, 19 Sep 2006 19:42:34 EDT
Subj: Re: SHK 17.0810 Teaching Shakespeare to ESL Students
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From: Hannibal Hamlin <
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Date: Tuesday, 19 Sep 2006 14:23:18 -0400
Subject: 17.0808 RSC Appeal to Educators
Comment: Re: SHK 17.0808 RSC Appeal to Educators
I agree with the comments of Terence Hawkes and Peter Holland, but I'd
add some further criticisms of the RSC appeal. The comment about
studying "scripts on a page" ignores the ongoing rich critical debate
about the relative status of plays as performed and as printed. The
growing consensus seems to be that both are legitimate, and that
Shakespeare seems to have written (perhaps at different times and in
different ways) with both in mind. Is the RSC really saying that a live
performance is the only legitimate experience of Shakespeare? Millions
of readers can attest that the plays are powerful on the page as well as
the stage (indeed some-from Bradley to Bloom-would argue they are more
so). Furthermore, the RSC attitude seems arrogant and self-centered. I
would love to be able to take my students to see the RSC regularly, but
since I teach in North-Central Ohio, this would be rather difficult.
Furthermore, though there are options for live performances within reach
in Ohio, I wouldn't recommend these indiscriminately. Many of my
students have never seen a live play, but I've taken a few classes to
see what turned out to be awful productions, and even the least
experienced students could see they were terrible. But that's about all
they could see. Bad theater can perhaps be instructive, but only if you
have something good to measure it against. If all that is available is
a bad production, I'd much rather my students stuck to reading the
plays. Bad productions just turn them off theater, and the sort of
delusional and self-aggrandizing productions Terence Hawkes no doubt has
in mind only serve to confuse them and convince them that Shakespeare on
his own terms is boring and out of date.
Hannibal Hamlin
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From: Tanya Gough <
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Date: Tuesday, 19 Sep 2006 15:16:15 -0400
Subject: 17.0810 Teaching Shakespeare to ESL Students
Comment: Re: SHK 17.0810 Teaching Shakespeare to ESL Students
Lysbeth,
I've re-read all of the posts in this thread and haven't seen anyone
suggesting that one use story adaptations *instead* of the original
text. In my own post, I suggested that story versions can be used a
stepping stone to assist students along the way, not as a way of
avoiding language altogether. The stories help students deal with
issues such as plot and getting the characters straight, so by the time
you get to the language they aren't as intimidated by it. And what's
more, the use of story versions helps them reinforce their modern
English reading skills, so there's a two-tier benefit to working this way.
I hope that clarifies things a bit.
Tanya Gough
The Poor Yorick Shakespeare Catalogue
www.bardcentral.com
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From: Alex Carney <
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Date: Tuesday, 19 Sep 2006 19:42:34 EDT
Subject: 17.0810 Teaching Shakespeare to ESL Students
Comment: Re: SHK 17.0810 Teaching Shakespeare to ESL Students
Is there any literature on this topic? I'd like to pass it on to the
ESL teachers in the high school I teach in.
Alex Carney
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