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Globe-ness
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 18.0052  Tuesday, 23 January 2007

[1] 	From: 	Christopher Baker <
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 	Date: 	Monday, 22 Jan 2007 20:02:52 -0500
 	Subj: 	Re: SHK 18.0047 A Question

[2] 	From: 	Carol Barton <
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 	Date: 	Monday, 22 Jan 2007 18:39:52 -0500
 	Subj: 	Re: SHK 18.0048 Globe-ness


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From: 		Christopher Baker <
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Date: 		Monday, 22 Jan 2007 20:02:52 -0500
Subject: 18.0047 A Question
Comment: 	Re: SHK 18.0047 A Question

Two relevant quotes seem pertinent to this thread.  Presentism in its 
benevolent form reminds us that we can never acquire a critical vantage 
point where, in the words of Paul Tillich, we can "stand nowhere and see 
everything."  Presentism in its evil guise practices what E. P. Thompson 
called the "enormous condescension of posterity."

Christopher Baker

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From: 		Carol Barton <
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Date: 		Monday, 22 Jan 2007 18:39:52 -0500
Subject: 18.0048 Globe-ness
Comment: 	Re: SHK 18.0048 Globe-ness

Many thanks to Anne Cuneo for her intelligent and thoughtful response. She 
makes me wish I had shared the experience, rather than trudging around 
Southwark in the summer sun wearing a business suit and heels, looking for 
a facade that was visible only from the Thames-then being told (rather 
curtly and abruptly) that there was groundling room only at full price for 
a diabetic "of a certain age" with no desire to collapse against the 
nearest attendees (there being neither shade nor anywhere for a lady to 
lean or sit).

I opted not to see Antony and Cleopatra, under the circumstances. Perhaps 
I will give it another shot--in jeans and tennis shoes, this time--when 
next I am in London.

For those who have been less than charitable regarding my prior post:

1. I went to Southwark right after visiting Stratford-upon-Avon, which I 
found thoroughly disappointing (aside from what I wrote earlier, the 
players weren't playing).

2. I am a MILTONIST. I resented the hoopla over Shakespeare that I 
encountered nearly everywhere in England-and the total disregard of a 
poet/statesman who means as much, if not more, to me. I love 
Shakespeare-and I read and see his plays for a variety of reasons, most of 
which tie into emotional/aesthetic responses to the human condition and 
what fools these mortals be. But Milton has challenged me intellectually, 
morally, ethically, and philosophically nearly all of my life, and is all 
but ignored by the people who value the Swan of Avon enough to turn him 
into a "commodity"-not even considered (until NOW, I am proud to 
announce-after ten years' haggling with the London officials) even worthy 
of a blue plaque in the city where he spent most of his life, in a city 
and a country whose citizens owe most of the liberties and autonomy they 
enjoy today to his "left hand"-not to mention the Americans whose 
liberties are derivative there from. If that is bitterness, then I am 
guilty of it. I also love Shakespeare too much to see him turned into a 
"marketing opportunity."

Thank you, Anne, once again. I visited the Connecticut Globe many, many 
years ago as a high school student, and have seen both the Folger's and 
the Maryland Renaissance Festival's "quasi" replicas.

I agree with Charles Weinstein (thank you, too) that "the play's the 
thing"--was, is, and ever shall be.

Best wishes to all, even those who have been less than charitable with me,
Carol Barton

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