The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 18.0834 Thursday, 13 December 2007
[1] From: William Godshalk <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 11 Dec 2007 16:26:11 -0500
Subj: Re: SHK 18.0829 Presentism
[2] From: Hugh Grady <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 11 Dec 2007 20:33:10 -0500
Subj: RE: SHK 18.0829 Presentism
[3] From: Joseph Egert <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 12 Dec 2007 15:06:31 -0800 (PST)
Subj: Re: SHK 18.0829 Presentism
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From: William Godshalk <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 11 Dec 2007 16:26:11 -0500
Subject: 18.0829 Presentism
Comment: Re: SHK 18.0829 Presentism
Perhaps we can all agree to cease the present debate, and to read and/or
reread Montaigne's Apology for Raymond Sebonde (circa 1569), an essay on
skepticism that Shakespeare apparently read and then used in King Lear.
We will then have something concrete to discuss -- something at least
tangentially concerning Shakespeare's skepticism.
Bill
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From: Hugh Grady <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 11 Dec 2007 20:33:10 -0500
Subject: 18.0829 Presentism
Comment: RE: SHK 18.0829 Presentism
IN re R. A. Cantrell's latest offering:
>That is, we believe that we
>know nothing for sure.
This is a perfect example of the idiocy of skepticism. Now that we are
all "sure" that we know nothing for sure, we may as well just get on
with things as best we may, and bye the bye, we might be just as well
off not to have bothered discussing whether we know anything for sure or
not. World without end. The purpose in the deployment of the tropes is
to stultify one's adversary ( bring them to epoche, aporia, or whatever)
and once they are silenced, continue to shout whatever inane crap you
wish to shout but could not shout if anyone demanded that you make a
substantive counter-case to that which you have shouted down by
perpetually yakking about whether or not we, you him, or it can know
anything for "sure."
Let's see: "idiocy," "as well off not to have bothered discussing," "The
purpose in the deployment of the tropes is to stultify one's
adversary"-all of this is contentless blustering that does nothing
toward advancing the discussion beyond whatever relief the writer gets
from blowing off the hot air. And might I suggest that one paragraph on
epistemology is not likely to be very illuminating in the first place?
The discussion has become absurd. My heartfelt sympathy to John Drakakis
for bootlessly trying to keep the discussion honest.
Merry Christmas to all,
Hugh Grady
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From: Joseph Egert <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 12 Dec 2007 15:06:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 18.0829 Presentism
Comment: Re: SHK 18.0829 Presentism
>Ah, if only the 'truth' were that simple Joe!
>
>Textual editing doesn't, I'm afraid get us to
>the unvarnished 'truth,
>although it can help to cut down the margins
>of palpable error.
JE: But John, will Terence Hawkes admit your editing helps to "cut down
the margins of palpable error"? Doesn't his defeatist theory deny even
that possibility? Remember: "to seek, 'the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth, despite our limitations' is absurdly
self-destructive." And why, John, do you surround "truth" with scare
quotes and leave error naked and undefended? Don't you see the blatant
inconsistency here?
In any event, I agree with you that your editing efforts are not wasted.
Welcome aboard!
Joe Egert
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