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The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 18.0578  Tuesday, 4 September 2007

[1] 	From: 		Peter Bridgman <
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	Date: 		Monday, 3 Sep 2007 21:09:58 +0100
	Subj: 		Re: SHK 18.0575 Redheads

[2] 	From: 		Anne Cuneo <
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	Date: 		Tuesday, 4 Sep 2007 12:31:29 +0200
	Subj: 		Redheads


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From: 		Peter Bridgman <
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Date: 		Monday, 3 Sep 2007 21:09:58 +0100
Subject: 18.0575 Redheads
Comment: 	Re: SHK 18.0575 Redheads

Bob Lapides writes ...

 >Re Peter Bridgman's comment that "there was no
 >conscious effort on the part of artists to er,
 >de-hebraicise ... the Holy Family."  Assuming
 >artists were fairly sophisticated, the question comes
 >down to their degree of consciousness. We have to
 >ask, I think, why European painters found it hard to
 >depict Jesus and his family as Jews.

Exactly.  The question comes down to their degree of consciousness.

Look at the sketch made by Henry Peacham when he saw Titus Andronicus 
performed in 1595 ...

http://www.pricejb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rome/Peacham.jpg

Titus (holding the spear) wears a toga, but the Roman soldiers behind 
Titus are in Elizabethan dress.  We may ask was this cost-cutting or 
laziness on the part of WS and his company?  Or was it ignorance?

Contemporary European paintings of Christ being scourged by Roman 
soldiers invariably show the soldiers in contemporary dress.  In other 
words, artists before the Enlightenment did not share our concerns for 
historicity.

And if Bruegel (for example) painted the Holy Family as Flemish 
peasants, rather than as Palestinian Jews, wasn't he doing exactly the 
same thing as non-European Christian artists are doing today, i.e. 
responding to the universality of the Gospels? ...

http://www.catholicgreetings.org/card_images/564.jpg
http://www.friendsofthecreche.org/images/black-madonna.gif
http://www.asianchristianart.org/news/4StagesChinaChristianArt/20.jpg

 >Imagine, also, if the Holy Family's real names -
 >Yeshua, Miriam, Joseph -- had been used in the
 >New Testament.

I think you'll find they are in the Peshitta (the Aramaic NT).

http://aramaicnewtestament.org/gospel/matthew_1.htm

Peter Bridgman

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From: 		Anne Cuneo <
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Date: 		Tuesday, 4 Sep 2007 12:31:29 +0200
Subject: 	Redheads

Dear SHAKSPERians,

This is off the subject as far as Shakespeare goes, but this debate on 
redheads has helped me understand something about my childhood. I, a 
redhead (nickname Poil de Carotte), was raised by rather backward 
Catholic nuns in an Italian orphanage. Whatever I did wrong was, of 
course, inspired by the devil, an assertion we all accepted, it was 
"understood" in our innocent young heads that HE was lurking around  to 
tempt us - redheads or not.

What really hurt, was to be punished for things I did RIGHT: I got 
smashing marks at school (I loved school), and then I got punished, 
because the devil had inspired me - he was quite often "beaten out of 
me." Or I recited a poem faultlessly after having read it only once or 
twice - of course, the devil had helped his redhead henchwoman to 
memorise it so quickly. And whenever there was something particularly 
unpleasant to do, like scrubbing the unheated cellar in Winter, the 
devil's ally would be sent to do it, just to show HIM who had the upper 
hand. I thought this was sick - and it was - but I only understood the 
long tradition of the belief when reading the letters in the present 
thread. Up to now, I had just put this behind me and tried to forget as 
soon as I had escaped that particular little hell when I was fourteen.

It helped, thanks (even if this is not very Shakespearean... ;~) )

Anne Cuneo

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