The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 18.0583 Friday, 7 September 2007
[1] From: Susanne Greenhalgh <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 5 Sep 2007 15:13:03 +0100
Subj: RE: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
[2] From: David Kathman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 05 Sep 2007 09:35:45 -0500
Subj: Re: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
[3] From: Larry Weiss <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 05 Sep 2007 12:14:59 -0400
Subj: Re: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
[4] From: Donald Bloom <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 5 Sep 2007 13:30:37 -0500
Subj: RE: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
[5] From: Nicole Coonradt <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 06 Sep 2007 02:51:58 +0000
Subj: Re: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
[6] From: John W. Kennedy <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 06 Sep 2007 18:17:26 -0400
Subj: Re: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
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From: Susanne Greenhalgh <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 5 Sep 2007 15:13:03 +0100
Subject: 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
Comment: RE: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
Intriguingly (especially in the light of recent crises in the UK media
about 'fakery' in documentaries and quiz call-ins and competitions)
several blogs and websites are suggesting that the Big Brother winner
Brian Belo actually faked his ignorance of Shakespeare, having taken
English to GCSE level (and therefore encountered a National Curriculum
in which Shakespeare is a compulsory feature) or, according to some,
having been at drama school - of course attendance doesn't guarantee
knowledge. Looked at closely, his answer does in my view support this
possibility, however. Despite claiming not to know who 'this geezer'
Shakespeare was, his choice of 'Babe' over 'Romeo and Juliet' and 'The
Taming of the Shrew' as NOT a play by Shakespeare was of course correct,
and his description of the film as one in which the characters speak
'normal' (the implication being that they don't in the others) seems
calculated to play to the popular view that equates Shakespeare with
obscure language.
Susanne Greenhalgh,
Digby Stuart College,
Roehampton University,
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From: David Kathman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 05 Sep 2007 09:35:45 -0500
Subject: 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
Comment: Re: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
Margaret Hargrave wrote:
>You are indeed fortunate if, in the United States, you do
>not have the _Big Brother_ program. This surprises me.
>We in Australia have it--so I suppose that, if it didn't start
>on the other side of the Pacific, it must have started in the
>UK! From all accounts, it is crass.
We do have "Big Brother" in the United States, each summer since 2000 on
CBS. In fact, "Big Brother 8" is currently finishing up its run -- you
can see the show's web site here:
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother8/
It's not nearly as popular as the UK or Australia versions, both of
which I've seen when I was in those countries, but it has enough of a
following that CBS keeps bringing it back every year. The biggest
difference between the U.S. version and the UK/Australia versions is
that contestants are voted out by the other contestants in the house,
rather than by the public, subject to a somewhat complicated set of
rules involving a "head of household" and a "power of veto." Also, the
show originated not in the U.K., but in the Netherlands, and a Dutch
production company, Endemol, produces all of the many versions aired in
various countries.
Dave Kathman
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From: Larry Weiss <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 05 Sep 2007 12:14:59 -0400
Subject: 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
Comment: Re: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
>A retired secondary school English teacher based in
>Sydney, I have had conversations with colleagues
>who truly believe we are entering a new Dark Age,
>in which there is shallow, if any, knowledge of history,
>philosophy and the truly great works in music and
>literature. I concur. What sort of age is it when Bob
>Dylan is described as the world's greatest-ever
>songwriter, and few have heard of Franz Schubert
>or have listened to Richard Strauss's _Four Last
>Songs_?
There is much to deplore in "popular culture," but I am not so
pessimistic. Popular culture is, by definition, "popular," that is
favored by the masses, who for the most part are capable of nothing but
physicality and noise and who (more importantly) do not have the
influence to pass on their ephemeral tastes to the next generation.
There is a long-term trend toward the ultimate rejection of most trendy
"popular" entertainment and the retention of great works. Consider
music: Hip Hop has supplanted hard rock, which supplanted Doo Wop,
which supplanted jazz, which supplanted (I suppose) barbershop quartet
singing. Each generation in turn deplored the degradation of the genre
and predicted the imminent dissolution of the social fabric itself. But
the Metropolitan Opera House still sells out its c.2000 seats nearly
every night at prices that range upwards of $300, and there are new
talented classical singers constantly coming on the scene. Where are
the new Doo Wop singers, and can they fill an auditorium one-half the
size at prices one-tenth the cost? And can they do it night after night?
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From: Donald Bloom <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 5 Sep 2007 13:30:37 -0500
Subject: 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
Comment: RE: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
No sooner had I questioned the meaning of the term "Big Brother" as used
by Sam Small, than I saw a TV listing for "Big Brother 8." I didn't
watch it. I spent the hour grading quizzes and occasionally glancing at
a dull baseball game. Such a miserable scholar of pop culture am I.
I still don't know if we're talking about the same thing.
As to Goebbels as romantic scholar. There seems to be a problem with the
difference between studying and learning. Studying a subject does not
mean that you have come to an understanding of it, and thus to a better
understanding of yourself and other human beings -- the point, I would
say, of liberal or humanistic education.
Without drifting into arguments about popular music, the offhand remark
about Bob Dylan illustrates a key aspect of my problem. What on earth
does the term "greatest songwriter" mean? I realize the imprecision (to
the point of total meaninglessness ) belongs to the anonymous person
being cited critically, but we tend to perpetuate the problem by citing
such remarks.
Cheers,
don
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From: Nicole Coonradt <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 06 Sep 2007 02:51:58 +0000
Subject: 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
Comment: Re: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
RE: Margaret Hargrave's post: AMEN!
Nicole Coonradt
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From: John W. Kennedy <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 06 Sep 2007 18:17:26 -0400
Subject: 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
Comment: Re: SHK 18.0580 Shakespeare and Big Brother
Margaret Hargrave <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
>You are indeed fortunate if, in the United States, you do
>not have the _Big Brother_ program.
There was an attempt, some years ago, but it was a dismal failure,
probably because US networks are not allowed to show naughty bits or
have bad language. As a result, it didn't even appeal to viewers with
bad taste. (Remember, even bad taste is some kind of taste.)
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