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WS View of Vienna for M4M
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 20.0401  Friday, 24 July 2009

[1] From:   Michele Marrapodi <
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     Date:   Thursday, 23 Jul 2009 23:39:06 +0100
     Subj:   Re: SHK 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M

[2] From:   Abigail Quart <
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     Date:   Thursday, 23 Jul 2009 18:45:54 -0400
     Subj:   RE: SHK 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M

[3] From:   Jim Marino <
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     Date:   Thursday, 23 Jul 2009 16:31:04 -0700 (PDT)
     Subj:   Re: SHK 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M

[4] From:   Peter Holland <
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     Date:   Friday, 24 Jul 2009 03:15:04 -0400
     Subj:   Re: SHK 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M


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From:       Michele Marrapodi <
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Date:       Thursday, 23 Jul 2009 23:39:06 +0100
Subject: 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M
Comment:    Re: SHK 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M

May I suggest that there are two chapters in _Shakespeare, Italy, and 
Intertextuality_ (MUP, 2004) which deal differently with this question.

Best wishes,
Michele Marrapodi,
University of Palermo.

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From:       Abigail Quart <
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Date:       Thursday, 23 Jul 2009 18:45:54 -0400
Subject: 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M
Comment:    RE: SHK 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M

I've always suspected this was why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior_Klesl

Melchior Klesl (sometimes Khlesl, rarely Cleselius) (February 19, 1552 - 
September 18, 1630) was an Austrian statesman and cardinal of the Roman 
Catholic church during the time of the Counter-Reformation. Klesl was 
appointed Bishop of Vienna in 1598 and elevated to cardinal in 1616.

"Rudolf II, impressed by the vigour and success of his campaign against 
Protestantism, entrusted him with the work of the Counter-Reformation, 
which became his life work. Klesl brought back into the fold the cities 
of Baden, Krems, and Stein, though not without great difficulty, nor 
indeed without actual risk of his life. In 1585 he was made imperial 
councillor by Rudolf II, who three years later appointed him court 
chaplain and administrator of the Diocese of Wiener Neustadt. It took 
him but a very short time to restore the Catholic rule in this 
thoroughly disorganized bishopric. He was compelled in doing so to be 
constantly on his guard against the monastic council, which, in a 
memorial on the subject, he calls, "the cause of all evil, the champion 
of godless prelates and priests against their bishop, a parasite".

In 1598 Klesl was named Bishop of Vienna, a diocese which was 
spiritually and materially in a state of degradation."

Toward the end of Elizabeth's reign, there was good reason to fear a 
bloody counter-reformation in England. After all, children had grown up 
hearing stories of Bloody Mary. And the succession was not as settled as 
some could wish. Nor was the likely heir (beheaded Catholic Mary 
Stuart's little boy) as big a fan of protestantism as some would like to 
believe.

But, since he couldn't talk about religion, Will talked about sex, and 
used it to remind England of Catholic hypocrisy and deadly inclinations.

Have fun, everybody.

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From:       Jim Marino <
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Date:       Thursday, 23 Jul 2009 16:31:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M
Comment:    Re: SHK 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M

I think the fact that Vienna was Hapsburg country would have been an 
important point to Shakespeare, and a meaningful one in terms of 17th 
century political and religious conflicts.

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From:       Peter Holland <
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Date:       Friday, 24 Jul 2009 03:15:04 -0400
Subject: 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M
Comment:    Re: SHK 20.0394 WS View of Vienna for M4M

Gary Taylor has argued, quite convincingly, that Shakespeare did *not* 
set Measure in Vienna but that the moving of the location to Vienna was 
part of Middleton's revision of the play, a revision that we can now 
firmly date to the early 1620s, thanks to work by John Jowett. Taylor's 
suggestion for the original location of the play is Ferrara but the 
strength of his article does not depend on whether it was Ferrara or 
some other three-syllable Italian city. It's in the collection called 
Shakespeare and the Mediterranean edited by Clayton and others (2004).


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