The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 21.0140 Tuesday, 30 March 2010
[1] From: Mari Bonomi <
Date: March 18, 2010 5:14:21 PM EDT
Subj: Re: SHK 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
[2] From: John W Kennedy <
Date: March 18, 2010 6:33:13 PM EDT
Subj: Re: SHK 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
[3] From: Harry Berger Jr <
Date: March 18, 2010 7:53:20 PM EDT
Subj: Re: SHK 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
[4] From: Bill Blanton <
Date: March 19, 2010 1:16:39 PM EDT
Subj: Re: SHK 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
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From: Mari Bonomi <
Date: March 18, 2010 5:14:21 PM EDT
Subject: 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
Comment: Re: SHK 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
Regarding the theory that Shakespeare *deliberately* made a hash of jurisprudence either of Venice or of England...
Of course, whatever resemblance to a real court's proceedings this scene bears will be to a trial in England, not in Venice. Shakespeare had no knowledge of Venetian court procedure.
HOWEVER, asserting that because Shakespeare had knowledge of English court procedures and violated them in crafting this scene, he must clearly be satirizing such procedures and, therefore, we must completely reconsider our understanding of the play's thematic content is a huge stretch, one that I for one am completely unwilling to make.
Just as Shakespeare changed Brooke's Tragical History of Romeus and Juliet to fit *his* conception of the thematic elements/dramatic story arc (one huge change: shortening the time covered from months to 41/2 days!), so he changed what he needed to change to make his trial scene serve *his* purposes, dramatically and thematically. I see nothing in the play to suggest that he had any interest in creating a commentary on English jurisprudence, and much in the play to suggest he had a lot of other things he wanted us to think about.
Mari Bonomi
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From: John W Kennedy <
Date: March 18, 2010 6:33:13 PM EDT
Subject: 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
Comment: Re: SHK 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
From: Bill Blanton <
>I am a trial lawyer, and know a preposterous trial scene
>when I see one.
Never ascribe to satire what can be adequately explained by a fairy tale.
John W Kennedy
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From: Harry Berger Jr <
Date: March 18, 2010 7:53:20 PM EDT
Subject: 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
Comment: Re: SHK 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
That is, doesn't the play *invite* us to interpret Shylock as representing more than just Shylock?
No.
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From: Bill Blanton <
Date: March 19, 2010 1:16:39 PM EDT
Subject: 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
Comment: Re: SHK 21.0126 Trial Scene, MV
Reply to Allston James's post of March 16, 2010
Allston James wrote: I propose that this is a case of not seeing the forest for the trees.
Sometimes you need to look at a few of the trees in order to determine what kind of forest you think you're looking at.
Anthony Burton has written two superb articles, applying his knowledge of sixteenth century English law to Hamlet. You may find his articles on this site: http://www.shakespearefellowship.org/virtualclassroom/Law.htm
I am not comparing myself to Mr. Burton. I only wish I had the extent of his knowledge and his ability to apply that knowledge to a complicated play like Hamlet.
I hope that you have the opportunity to read my article. It may help you to answer these basic questions:
When you look at the trial scene, what kind of trial do you see?
Do you see a serious, more-or-less conventional trial, held in a Court of Justice in Venice?
Or, do you see a deliberate travesty of a trial, held in the Court of Queen's Bench in Westminster Hall, England?
Bill
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