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The Archbishop’s Oration and the Tudor Myth

 

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 23.0386  Tuesday, 18 September 2012

 

[1] From:        Al Magary < This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it >

     Date:         September 17, 2012 5:30:16 PM EDT

     Subject:     Re: H5 & Tudor Myth

 

[2] From:        HR Greenberg < This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it >

     Date:         September 17, 2012 7:31:36 PM EDT

     Subject:     Re: SHAKSPER: H5 & Tudor Myth 

 

 

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From:        Al Magary < This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it >

Date:         September 17, 2012 5:30:16 PM EDT

Subject:     Re: H5 & Tudor Myth

 

For the Archbishop’s oration, Shakespeare had a lot draw on from Hall’s Chronicle.  Several years ago, I transcribed the 1550 edition from the fine color images at Penn for a still-in-progress electronic edition.  I have sent my transcription of the several pages of Hall to Mr. Greenberg.

 

For those interested, the Penn page images of Archbishop’s oration and related parliamentary matters begin at http://sceti.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=halle&PagePosition=82 running to ...93.  The 1550 chronicle’s page numbering is by reign and is not reliable.  But as numbered, the section of Hall the second year of Henry V, folio 3v to 9r.  In Sir Henry Ellis’ 1809 edition of Hall (a fairly reliable melding of the 1548 and 1550 editions), the transcription is reflected on pp. 49-57.

 

BTW, I see that Wikipedia still buys the idea that there was a 1542 edition of Hall.  Doubtful, and in any case no copy survives.

 

Cheers,

Al Magary

 

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From:        HR Greenberg < This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it >

Date:         September 17, 2012 7:31:36 PM EDT

Subject:     Re: SHAKSPER: H5 & Tudor Myth

 

Thanks to all those who provided the necessary source material from Holinshed and Hall. I'm not entirely sure what is the proper scholarly citation assuming the citations are going to be made.

 

I’ve also found that one Robert Redman, or Redmayne, provided an account, possibly in Latin, of Henry V’s reign.

 

No scholar I, but I have read some useful material on the role of the Chronicles as proto-history, and their gradual fading after further dissemination as function of the invention of the printing press as well as other factors.

 

What I also have at hand are several marvelous quotations about the fanciful nature of a great deal of stuff in any of the Chronicles, the number of people gathered together under the rubric of one Chronicle, the role of publishers themselves in putting these out, et cetera. I’m more and more thinking that I should stick the central dramaturgical changes I’m offering, and leave the issue of the reliability or non-reliability of the Chronicles as a vexed questions, vis-a-vis Henry Chichele or Chichely’s actual presence or absence at the Leicester parliament. Also I should probably not say very much in the way of speculating what was in the Chroniclers’ mind(s) or Shakespeare’s as to the veracity of the Oration. The past, as I think someone said, is a very different country, and they do things differently there.

 

I remain convinced that whatever version of the speech or method of performance, it is absolutely crucial that the audience of today understand that the single argument about the Salic territory not being part of France is insufficient as a casus belli. While one cannot say for certain what percentage of an audience of 1599 understood the importance of establishing the correctness of Henry’s dynastic rights, given the ongoing debates and worries as to who should succeed Elizabeth would have made a lot of folks cognizant of the rightfulness of lineage according to divine and human law.

 

Thanks again, and if anyone can tell me more about the Robert Redmayne or Redman chronicle, that would be useful too. So far, one or two references but no actual material per se out there. HR Greenberg MD

 

 

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